What do you have?

[JaxRolo]

R1. Pick off attempt to 1st. Bad throw that makes R1 trip over F3. Throw gets away. but by the time R1 gets up he can't advance to 2nd so he stays at 1st. Do you call anything?

[CS-Blue]

Is F3 making a play on the throw? Or is he just in the way?

[Mike Prince]

As described and understood, I have nothing here.

[BigUmpire]

What do you have?

 I have the runner at second base.

[noumpere]

R1. Pick off attempt to 1st. Bad throw that makes R1 trip over F3. Throw gets away. but by the time R1 gets up he can't advance to 2nd so he stays at 1st. Do you call anything?

Is the trip when F3 is trying to field the throw? Then its probably just a train wreck.

 

Is the trip after the ball has got by F3 (like when F3 turns to chase)? Then its probably OBS.

[JaxRolo]

I'm presently attending a week long clinic. The instructor is Brent Rice the head instructor at WUS. He said this is the most common misapplied rule in all of baseball. The correct ruling is that no matter what or when they got tangled up you call obstruction.

[maven]

I'm presently attending a week long clinic. The instructor is Brent Rice the head instructor at WUS. He said this is the most common misapplied rule in all of baseball. The correct ruling is that no matter what or when they got tangled up you call obstruction.

 

True for FED: F3 is blocking access to the base without the ball.

 

For other codes, I can envision versions of the play where I'd rule OBS, and versions where I would not. So to claim that it's "OBS no matter what" strikes me as incorrect, at least not without further info.

 

The OBR rule permits the fielder to block access to the base if he's fielding a throw and a play is imminent. I would not rule OBS in such cases.

 

Perhaps the case must be constructed to make clear, as noumpere was suggesting, that F3 had no chance to field the throw. In that case, the exception in the OBS rule would not apply, and I agree that contact that hindered the runner would be OBS no matter when it occurred. That's the only way I can think to make the "OBS no matter what" claim correct.

 

As Type A OBS, we'd award the runner 2B, even though he was hindered going back into 1B.

[BigUmpire]

I'm presently attending a week long clinic. The instructor is Brent Rice the head instructor at WUS. He said this is the most common misapplied rule in all of baseball. The correct ruling is that no matter what or when they got tangled up you call obstruction.

Never doubt the " Fat Boy"

[BigUmp56]

I think our brother Maven nailed this one. As described I'm having a hard time understanding how OBS should be called no matter what. In OBR a fielder can be in the act of fielding a throw, and potentially be protected from OBS being called. We all know that no call train wrecks happen all of the time when an errant throw pulls a fielder into the path of a runner. I don't see how an errant pick off attempt would be different.

Modified OBR where the "in the act of fielding a throw" language has been removed, it's a different story.

Tim.

[JaxRolo]

 

I'm presently attending a week long clinic. The instructor is Brent Rice the head instructor at WUS. He said this is the most common misapplied rule in all of baseball. The correct ruling is that no matter what or when they got tangled up you call obstruction.

 

True for FED: F3 is blocking access to the base without the ball.

 

For other codes, I can envision versions of the play where I'd rule OBS, and versions where I would not. So to claim that it's "OBS no matter what" strikes me as incorrect, at least not without further info.

 

The OBR rule permits the fielder to block access to the base if he's fielding a throw and a play is imminent. I would not rule OBS in such cases.

 

Perhaps the case must be constructed to make clear, as noumpere was suggesting, that F3 had no chance to field the throw. In that case, the exception in the OBS rule would not apply, and I agree that contact that hindered the runner would be OBS no matter when it occurred. That's the only way I can think to make the "OBS no matter what" claim correct.

 

As Type A OBS, we'd award the runner 2B, even though he was hindered going back into 1B.

 

 

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Very true but once you get tangled up and the ball gets away. "That's Obtruction!" beacuse you are impeding the runner from going to 2nd

[JaxRolo]

I think our brother Maven nailed this one. As described I'm having a hard time understanding how OBS should be called no matter what. In OBR a fielder can be in the act of fielding a throw, and potentially be protected from OBS being called. We all know that no call train wrecks happen all of the time when an errant throw pulls a fielder into the path of a runner. I don't see how an errant pick off attempt would be different.

Modified OBR where the "in the act of fielding a throw" language has been removed, it's a different story.

Tim.

 

Yes correct but we are not talking about the "act of fielding"

 

We are talking about getting tangled up or trip and the ball gets away then you call Obstruction because you are impeding the runner from possibly getting to 2nd Base. We are not talking about getting obstructed on the way back to 1st.

[JaxRolo]

 

I'm presently attending a week long clinic. The instructor is Brent Rice the head instructor at WUS. He said this is the most common misapplied rule in all of baseball. The correct ruling is that no matter what or when they got tangled up you call obstruction.

Never doubt the " Fat Boy"

 

Me or Brent?

[BigUmpire]

All of us tubbys

[noumpere]

 

 

I'm presently attending a week long clinic. The instructor is Brent Rice the head instructor at WUS. He said this is the most common misapplied rule in all of baseball. The correct ruling is that no matter what or when they got tangled up you call obstruction.

 

True for FED: F3 is blocking access to the base without the ball.

 

For other codes, I can envision versions of the play where I'd rule OBS, and versions where I would not. So to claim that it's "OBS no matter what" strikes me as incorrect, at least not without further info.

 

The OBR rule permits the fielder to block access to the base if he's fielding a throw and a play is imminent. I would not rule OBS in such cases.

 

Perhaps the case must be constructed to make clear, as noumpere was suggesting, that F3 had no chance to field the throw. In that case, the exception in the OBS rule would not apply, and I agree that contact that hindered the runner would be OBS no matter when it occurred. That's the only way I can think to make the "OBS no matter what" claim correct.

 

As Type A OBS, we'd award the runner 2B, even though he was hindered going back into 1B.

 

 

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Very true but once you get tangled up and the ball gets away. "That's Obtruction!" beacuse you are impeding the runner from going to 2nd

 

The fact that they were still tangled once the ball got away isn't in the OP at all.

[JaxRolo]

 

 

 

I'm presently attending a week long clinic. The instructor is Brent Rice the head instructor at WUS. He said this is the most common misapplied rule in all of baseball. The correct ruling is that no matter what or when they got tangled up you call obstruction.

 

True for FED: F3 is blocking access to the base without the ball.

 

For other codes, I can envision versions of the play where I'd rule OBS, and versions where I would not. So to claim that it's "OBS no matter what" strikes me as incorrect, at least not without further info.

 

The OBR rule permits the fielder to block access to the base if he's fielding a throw and a play is imminent. I would not rule OBS in such cases.

 

Perhaps the case must be constructed to make clear, as noumpere was suggesting, that F3 had no chance to field the throw. In that case, the exception in the OBS rule would not apply, and I agree that contact that hindered the runner would be OBS no matter when it occurred. That's the only way I can think to make the "OBS no matter what" claim correct.

 

As Type A OBS, we'd award the runner 2B, even though he was hindered going back into 1B.

 

 

See Bolded

 

Very true but once you get tangled up and the ball gets away. "That's Obtruction!" beacuse you are impeding the runner from going to 2nd

 

The fact that they were still tangled once the ball got away isn't in the OP at all.

 

from the OP : Throw gets away. but by the time R1 gets up he can't advance to 2nd

[BigUmpire]

"Bad throw that makes R1 trip over F3"

 

Cause was an act by the defence.

 

OBS

[JaxRolo]

And this does not have to be at first only.

 

It could happen on any base and it could even be a throw by another fielder trying to get a runner out. Most people let it go as "NOTHING" but in reality it is OBS

[BigUmpire]

And this does not have to be at first only.

 

It could happen on any base and it could even be a throw by another fielder trying to get a runner out. Most people let it go as "NOTHING" but in reality it is OBS

Smart Cubano.

[JaxRolo]

 

And this does not have to be at first only.

 

It could happen on any base and it could even be a throw by another fielder trying to get a runner out. Most people let it go as "NOTHING" but in reality it is OBS

Smart Cubano.

 

 

I know!

[Mad Mike]

Slightly different question, take it one step further. In NFHS, I know OBS is a delayed dead ball. 

 

In the case of OBR, if it is Type A with a play being made on him at first and you rule OBS, are you going to kill it right then and there and make awards?

What if there are other runners on base? 

 

Would you award R1 second and other base runners the bases you felt they would have gotten?

 

I would also think you might want to wait and see if the ball goes out of play or something.......

[noumpere]

Slightly different question, take it one step further. In NFHS, I know OBS is a delayed dead ball. 

 

In the case of OBR, if it is Type A with a play being made on him at first and you rule OBS, are you going to kill it right then and there and make awards?

What if there are other runners on base? 

 

Would you award R1 second and other base runners the bases you felt they would have gotten?

 

I would also think you might want to wait and see if the ball goes out of play or something.......

Under OBR, even if you kill it under typeA then you award for the overthrow if the ball goes out of play.

[HeadHunterLA]

Sounds like obstruction to me, R1 on second, cheers.