Run limit inning

[Wiggledoc]

Bases loaded with 2 outs. Batter walks. Runner on 2nd walks straight to the dugout. Never touches 3rd. I know that if the runner doesn't touch first, run doesn't count. What about third? Does coach need to appeal? Can I call runner out, no run scores?

[NFUA_44]

No run scores if the third out is recorded before the batter/runner reaches first base, or the third out is the result of a force play.  Since your R2 didn't touch 3rd, and you will be calling him out for abandonment (once he reaches the dugout) then you wouldn't have a run scored since the 3rd out was due to a force.  The coach doesn't need to appeal anything, and you should wait to call the abandonment until it is clear he has left the field.

 

See OBR 4.09

[Wiggledoc]

That is how I called it. Thanks.

[Rich Ives]

As the inning is not allowed to continue by rule it is over.  I would therefore use CSFP (AKA 9.01( c )) and treat it the same as a game-ending situation.

 

In that case only R3 and the B-R are required to advance to the next base.

 

So the run scores - inning over.

[noumpere]

Bases loaded with 2 outs. Batter walks. Runner on 2nd walks straight to the dugout. Never touches 3rd. I know that if the runner doesn't touch first, run doesn't count. What about third? Does coach need to appeal? Can I call runner out, no run scores?

Depends on the rules being used in HS all the runners need to advance.

[Rich Ives]

 

Bases loaded with 2 outs. Batter walks. Runner on 2nd walks straight to the dugout. Never touches 3rd. I know that if the runner doesn't touch first, run doesn't count. What about third? Does coach need to appeal? Can I call runner out, no run scores?

Depends on the rules being used in HS all the runners need to advance.

 

True - but then I've never heard of run limit rules an a FED game.

[noumpere]

 

 

Bases loaded with 2 outs. Batter walks. Runner on 2nd walks straight to the dugout. Never touches 3rd. I know that if the runner doesn't touch first, run doesn't count. What about third? Does coach need to appeal? Can I call runner out, no run scores?

Depends on the rules being used in HS all the runners need to advance.

 

True - but then I've never heard of run limit rules an a FED game.

 

I missed that in the topic heading so your probably right.

[mstaylor]

In Fed, everyone advances. In OBR on an award only the batter and R3 needs to advance.

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[NFUA_44]

Doh!  Didn't even think about the thread title just the sitch as described.  Having no other point of reference for it outside of most youth programs, I would have to go with Rich's take on it.  Don't think it's addressed in other rulebooks, is there reference to it in the LL RIM perhaps?

[mstaylor]

From the 2013 OBR:

When the winning run is scored in the last half-inning of a regulation game, or in

the last half of an extra inning, as the result of a base on balls, hit batter or any other

play with the bases full which forces the runner on third to advance, the umpire

shall not declare the game ended until the runner forced to advance from third has

touched home base and the batter-runner has touched first base.

 

 

From the 2013 RIM:

 

“The Right Call†Casebook -- Comment: When the winning run is forced in, it is important for the umpire to be aware of each runner’s legal obligation, including the batter-runner. (1) If the winning run is forced in as the result of a batted ball, all runners including the batter-runner are obligated to touch their next bases. The BR must advance to and touch 1st base, and any other runner forced must advance to and touch his/her next base. If any such forced runner fails to do so, a force out appeal play is in order; and if it is sustained for the third out, no run shall count since the third out was, in effect, a force out. If this appeal force out is not the third out, the runner shall be declared out but the winning run scores. (2) If the winning run is forced in as the result of an award (e.g. base on balls, hit batsman, catcher interference), the runner from third is required to advance to and touch home and the batter-runner is required to advance to and touch first base before the game is over. The other runners on base are not required to touch their next bases when the winning run is forced in as the result of an award.

 

[NFUA_44]

Sweet!  Thanks Michael!