BR Beats the trhow but misses first

[JaxRolo]

This was asked in one of my associations. I got it correct for OBR but not sure what the answer is for FED.

With no runners on base, B6 hits a ground ball to

the left side of the infield. F5 throws high to F3, who jumps into the

air to make the catch. B6 beats the throw, but fails to touch the bag.

F3 then comes down on the bag with the ball, but is not aware that B6

missed the base.

Answer:

OBR- Call the runner safe and he will be out on appeal.

FED - ??????

Sorry Misspelled Throw on the title. :shakehead:

[mstaylor]

It is the same for all codes.

[BigZigBlue]

If the first baseman stepped on the bag then that is a proper appeal.

[ukce1861]

If the first baseman stepped on the bag then that is a proper appeal.

Not if he's not aware that B6 missed the bag.

7.10 Comment: "An appeal should be clearly intended as an appeal, either by a verbal request by the player or an act that unmistakably indicates an appeal to the umpire. A player, inadvertently stepping on the base with a ball in his hand, would not constitute an appeal."

Now my question is, take the above situation except after B6 has returned to, and is standing on, the bag, F3 says (still holding the ball and touching the base), "He missed first base." You don't allow this appeal since he's "corrected his error" before the appeal, correct?

[Rich Ives]

If the first baseman stepped on the bag then that is a proper appeal.

Nope. An appeal must be an obvious appeal by word or a deed that everyone recognizes as an appeal. There are no accidental appeals. In this case F3 would have to announce to the umpire that the runner missed the base - then he could get the out.

[kcfan102]

We went over this specifically in FL.

If BR misses first base and F3 is off the bag, he needs to either touch the runner or the bag in an obvious attempt to appeal. In most cases, the first baseman simply needs to look at the umpire with an mistakable, "Hey, he didn't touch" look, or of course communicate verbally. Then bang him out.

Keep in mind though, the runner needs to be completely past the bag.

[Forest Ump]

If the first baseman stepped on the bag then that is a proper appeal.

Not if he's not aware that B6 missed the bag.

7.10 Comment: "An appeal should be clearly intended as an appeal, either by a verbal request by the player or an act that unmistakably indicates an appeal to the umpire. A player, inadvertently stepping on the base with a ball in his hand, would not constitute an appeal."

Now my question is, take the above situation except after B6 has returned to, and is standing on, the bag, F3 says (still holding the ball and touching the base), "He missed first base." You don't allow this appeal since he's "corrected his error" before the appeal, correct?

Correct

[AZump78]

Ok-Let's throw one more kink in the situation:

The BR misses bag but passes it prior to F3 (who has secure possession of the ball in his hand or mitt) touches the bag. You correctly signal safe. BR returns to bag and is standing on it when F3 finally gets around to properly appealing that the BR missed the base.

Whattayagot?

[Mr Umpire]

Ok-Let's throw one more kink in the situation:

The BR misses bag but passes it prior to F3 (who has secure possession of the ball in his hand or mitt) touches the bag. You correctly signal safe. BR returns to bag and is standing on it when F3 finally gets around to properly appealing that the BR missed the base.

Whattayagot?

Safe. And, HC should be yelling at F3 for not reacting sooner.

The act of appealing did not happen until he made it known that he was appealing. Simply standing on the base before BR touched doesn't make it an appeal. Since he waited until after BR touched 1B to make it an actual appeal, the appeal is too late. BR safe.