Chicago NCAA Meeting

[johnnyg08]

Johnny, the play at first was from the NCAA part.

 

 

I'm looking and I can't find it.  Do you remember the teams involved.  I might have that clip in my own library.  

 

If I remember correctly, it was an MLB clip correct?

[johnnyg08]

Still searching for the clip.  

[johnnyg08]

I don't think that this is the play...but I think it's the same idea.

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=10325639&c_id=mlb

[johnnyg08]

Okay, we have it narrowed down to Yeast's presentation.  It was not during the NCAA general session.  

[UmpTTS43]

It was a MLB clip during the regular session. Don't remember teams.

[johnnyg08]

The only two MLB clips shown during the general session was the catcher's action around the dugout (was he in play or out of play) on an overthrow and the Ankiel catch/no catch.  

 

Those were the only two MLB clips in the general session.

[UmpTTS43]

Ok. If we are talking about the same clip, which I believe we are, I still think it was a MLB clip.

[johnnyg08]

I emailed Hiler and he said that it was an MLB clip during Yeast's presentation not the general session.  

[johnnyg08]

The 2012 CBUA video is on Arbiter.

 

I'm going to hold off on continuing to search for the proverbial needle in a haystack and see if they post the 2013 one on Arbiter.  That will clear it all up.  

[Haid D' Salaami]

Catch or no catch?

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=4424439&c_id=mlb

 

Simple answer... no.

No catch....

[Jocko]

Catch or no catch?http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=4424439&c_id=mlb

 Simple answer... no.

No catch....

even after the replay?

[Haid D' Salaami]

No catch.. did you see secure and firm possession?.. NO.. did you see voluntary release?... no.. so No catch.  

[Jocko]

No catch.. did you see secure and firm possession?.. NO.. did you see voluntary release?... no.. so No catch.

I considered it voluntary release when he transferred the ball from his glove to his throwing hand. And, according to JohnnyG, this is how it was explained at the NCAA meeting. So either a bunch of NCAA assignors/evaluators are wrong, or......

[UmpTTS43]

By definition and interpretation it is a catch.

[BT_Blue]

Full speed... still say no catch. And quite honestly, I doubt you would get any grief calling as such.

[Jocko]

Full speed... still say no catch

absolutely agree. But this isn't game time, and it's a good learning point.

[Haid D' Salaami]

I still say no catch,and I wont call it a catch, if i was the umpire....so...

[zm1283]

No catch.. did you see secure and firm possession?.. NO.. did you see voluntary release?... no.. so No catch.  

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Yes.  It was caught in his glove and released voluntarily into his throwing hand, then dropped when he hit the wall.  Like Troy said, by rule it is a catch.

[Jocko]

if i were an umpire...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just kiddin, brother! You know I love ya!

[johnnyg08]

Here's the video. I ended up finding it on my own. But this is a great video. Keep those MOTM votes coming!!

 

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=24470713&c_id=mlb

[Jocko]

Here's the video. I ended up finding it on my own. But this is a great video. Keep those MOTM votes coming!!http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=24470713&c_id=mlb

well, fill us in on the discussion. BTW, +20 for diligence :D

[johnnyg08]

The discussion was around whether or not the run would count.  

[BT_Blue]

I'm gonna say no it doesn't. What did Yeast say?

[zm1283]

Attaboy!  You're the man.

[zm1283]

I'm gonna say no it doesn't. What did Yeast say?

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It was concluded that the run doesn't count since the BR was retired before acquiring 1B with 2 outs.  

 

Some people said that since the BR passed first he is assumed to have acquired the base and it's like any other appeal, which would be a time play.