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PCUAUMP3565

PCUAUMP3565

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One out , runner on third and runner on second. Pitcher steps on rubber in wind up position, steps back with free foot to start his wind up, runner on third breaks for home, pitcher sees this and immediately throws ball home to try and get runner, me BU and my PU at same call illegal pitch(quick pitch). DC comes out yelling hes out, OC is yelling balk. What would you of called , and would the run count?

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spiritump

spiritump

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sounds like a pitch to me--the fact that the pitcher steps back then pitches --there is no quick pitch--just call the pitch(ball or strike) and keep the ball in play.

JaxRolo

JaxRolo

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sounds like a pitch to me--the fact that the pitcher steps back then pitches --there is no quick pitch--just call the pitch(ball or strike) and keep the ball in play.

HTBT to really know but sounds like a pitch to me also. No balk

TBrown

TBrown

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What level is this? Since the runner broke for home when the pitcher started his windup I am assuming it is on the 90ft diamond. The penalty for an quick pitch is a balk on the 90ft diamond.

A quick pitch is called when the pitcher delivers the ball before the batter is ready in the box. Just because the pitcher hurries his delivery does not make it a quick pitch. This is really a HTBT play.

If the batter was ready in the box when the pitch was delivered and the catcher did not interfere by jumping forward to catch the pitch, then I would call the runner out if he was tagged before reaching the plate.

If the batter was not ready in the box when the pitcher delivered the ball, then I would call a balk.

If the batter was ready, but the catcher jumped forward to catch the ball taking away the batter's opportunity to hit the pitch, then we have catcher's interference.

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NovaScotiaBlue

NovaScotiaBlue

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One out , runner on third and runner on second. Pitcher steps on rubber in wind up position, steps back with free foot to start his wind up, runner on third breaks for home, pitcher sees this and immediately throws ball home to try and get runner, me BU and my PU at same call illegal pitch(quick pitch). DC comes out yelling hes out, OC is yelling balk. What would you of called , and would the run count?

It's definitely a HTBT But to me it sounds like the pitcher altered his wind up and delivery to get the throw home faster in other words he sdarted the wind up then stopped and threw home. If that is the case, I would say you have a balk.

TBrown

TBrown

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It was an 11u top gun tourney. It wasnt that he continued his natural pitching motion, he started his wind up, no knee lift, just threw to home to try and get runner.

Sounds fine to me. As long as he stepped towards the plate before throwing then I have a legal pitch. There is no rule that says the pitcher must use the same motion every time or that he must lift his knee. As long as it is a legal delivery, then I have a legal pitch.

I am assuming 50/70 rules use balks? Then the answers from my previous post stand.

MPLSMatt

MPLSMatt

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Are you sure that he didn't step toward home? That's hard (or at least unnatural) to do - throwing without stepping toward your target. If he didn't step, you have a balk but I find it really hard to believe that he didn't at least make some distance toward the plate (doesn't have to be a huge stride, just step toward).

Rich Ives

Rich Ives

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they use both, he didn't step towards home, he just threw the ball home.

He doesn't have to step.

8.01(a) " . . . in his actual delivery of the ball to the batter, he may take one step backward, and one step forward with his free foot."

"May". Not "must".

UmpJM

UmpJM

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It was weird looking, he kind of jumped at the plate with his whole body. It was funny looking. Took a nano second to process in out mind, lol.

PCUAUMP,

When the pitcher took his rocker step, saw the runner, and then threw home without stepping with his free foot, he interrupted his delivery.

Yes, I'm sure. I saw it clearly.

It's a balk.

JM

Rich Ives

Rich Ives

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PCUAUMP,

When the pitcher took his rocker step, saw the runner, and then threw home without stepping with his free foot, he interrupted his delivery.

Yes, I'm sure. I saw it clearly.

It's a balk.

JM

You don't have to step so how can you balk him for not stepping.

kwiggie

kwiggie

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He doesn't have to step.

8.01(a) " . . . in his actual delivery of the ball to the batter, he may take one step backward, and one step forward with his free foot."

"May". Not "must".

Were did you get this reference from fedobr? All my books are on lone for the week and I had a similair "wind-up" a month ago during a regional game that I am still thinking of.

UmpJM

UmpJM

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You don't have to step so how can you balk him for not stepping.

Rich,

I did not call a step balk. I called him for interrupting his delivery(i.e., he stopped/hesitated/restarted).

As described, it's physically impossible not to. Especially if you were "surprised" into it.

It's a balk.

JM

Rich Ives

Rich Ives

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Rich,

I did not call a step balk. I called him for interrupting his delivery(i.e., he stopped/hesitated/restarted).

As described, it's physically impossible not to. Especially if you were "surprised" into it.

It's a balk.

JM

You said this:

When the pitcher took his rocker step, saw the runner, and then threw home without stepping with his free foot, he interrupted his delivery.

Yes, I'm sure. I saw it clearly.

No offense John, but if he doesn't have to step - then not stepping cannot be an interruption of his delivery.

And you saw something in NC clearly from Chicago?

Rich Ives

Rich Ives

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Rich:

He doesn't have to step back but he does have to step forward.

No - he doesn't.

8.01(a) " . . . in his actual delivery of the ball to the batter, he may take one step backward, and one step forward with his free foot."

catoblue

catoblue

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The way I read it, he can come set in the stretch and pitch without moving his feet - all arm. Granted, it's bad mechanics, and the pitch wouldn't be likely to have a whole lot of velocity, or even accuracy, but it would be legal.

I'm with Rich on this - he may take a step backward and forward with his free foot, and it behooves him to do so, but it is not required.

mstaylor

mstaylor

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Negative. He must step where he is throwing, this includes the plate on a pitch. He does not have to step back but he has to step toward the plate on the delivery.

This is not the first rule made unclear by poor sentence structure. The writers of the rules were baseball guys not grammar instructors.

Rich Ives

Rich Ives

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Negative. He must step where he is throwing, this includes the plate on a pitch. He does not have to step back but he has to step toward the plate on the delivery. This is not the first rule made unclear by poor sentence structure. The writers of the rules were baseball guys not grammar instructors.

Then they blew it in multiple places.

The only step required is to a base, or back to disengage. Just because it looks "funny" or seems impractical or even dangerous doesn't make it illegal.

8.01(a)

From the Windup Position, the pitcher may:

(1) deliver the ball to the batter, or

(2) step and throw to a base in an attempt to pick-off a runner, or

(3) disengage the rubber

AND

He shall not raise either foot from the ground, except that in his actual delivery of the ball to the batter, he may take one step backward, and one step forward with his free foot.

8.01(:rollinglaugh:

From such Set Position he may deliver the ball to the batter, throw to a base or step backward off the pitcher’s plate with his pivot foot.

8.01©

At any time during the pitcher’s preliminary movements and until his natural pitching motion commits him to the pitch, he may throw to any base provided he steps directly toward such base before making the throw.

8.05 If there is a runner, or runners, it is a balk when—

© The pitcher, while touching his plate, fails to step directly toward a base before throwing to that base;

Rule 8.05© Comment: Requires the pitcher, while touching his plate, to step directly toward a base before throwing to that base.

Repeat, just because it looks "funny" or seems impractical or even dangerous doesn't make it illegal.

Your turn: Quote the rule part (or the MLBUM or PBUC) where he has to step to the plate. Try finding something in FED or NCAA too if you wish.

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mstaylor

mstaylor

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8.01(B)

From such Set Position he may deliver the ball to the batter, throw to a base or step backward off the pitcher’s plate with his pivot foot.

Here it doesn't say he has to step toward the base but tell you won't balk him if he doesn't.

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