Appeals

[mstaylor]

This was asked on another board and didn't get a lot of takers so I thought I would bring it here. The trivia question is always what is the max number of appeals allowed. The answer being ten on a bases loaded HR. The questions was the F1 throws to first to appeal the BR missing first, cutting off all runs, assume two outs. They throw the ball out of play, does that kill the other 9 appeals or just that one.

[sdix00]

IMO, It kills all other appeals.

The rule book actually says it kills all other appeals on the same runner at the same base, but that is not how professional umpires enforce it.

IMO, The reasoning is, is that while the appeal is not considered a play, the err of throwing the ball out of play IS interpreted as an attempted play and therefore kills any subsequent appeals.

IMO, FED allows subsequent appeals after erring because there is no equivalent phrase to 7.10's "If the defensive team on its first appeal errs, a request for a second appeal on the same runner at the same base shall not be allowed by the umpire." and no equivalent interp that instructs umpires not to honor an appeal after an err.

[yawetag]

IMO, It kills all other appeals.

The rule book actually says it kills all other appeals on the same runner at the same base, but that is not how professional umpires enforce it.

IMO, The reasoning is, is that while the appeal is not considered a play, the err of throwing the ball out of play IS interpreted as an attempted play and therefore kills any subsequent appeals.

IMO, FED allows subsequent appeals after erring because there is no equivalent phrase to 7.10's "If the defensive team on its first appeal errs, a request for a second appeal on the same runner at the same base shall not be allowed by the umpire." and no equivalent interp that instructs umpires not to honor an appeal after an err.

The question is, if the ball's thrown out of play, how will the umpires know which runner was going to be appealed?

[sdix00]

IMO, It kills all other appeals.

The rule book actually says it kills all other appeals on the same runner at the same base, but that is not how professional umpires enforce it.

IMO, The reasoning is, is that while the appeal is not considered a play, the err of throwing the ball out of play IS interpreted as an attempted play and therefore kills any subsequent appeals.

IMO, FED allows subsequent appeals after erring because there is no equivalent phrase to 7.10's "If the defensive team on its first appeal errs, a request for a second appeal on the same runner at the same base shall not be allowed by the umpire." and no equivalent interp that instructs umpires not to honor an appeal after an err.

The question is, if the ball's thrown out of play, how will the umpires know which runner was going to be appealed?

Why does that matter? If the defense errs in OBR, there are no more appeals, regardless of whom they were appealing. If the defense errs in FED, they can still appeal any runner at any base.

[Rich Ives]

IMO, It kills all other appeals.

The rule book actually says it kills all other appeals on the same runner at the same base, but that is not how professional umpires enforce it.

IMO, The reasoning is, is that while the appeal is not considered a play, the err of throwing the ball out of play IS interpreted as an attempted play and therefore kills any subsequent appeals.

IMO, FED allows subsequent appeals after erring because there is no equivalent phrase to 7.10's "If the defensive team on its first appeal errs, a request for a second appeal on the same runner at the same base shall not be allowed by the umpire." and no equivalent interp that instructs umpires not to honor an appeal after an err.

The question is, if the ball's thrown out of play, how will the umpires know which runner was going to be appealed?

Sometimes they tell you don't they? Then what? See my next post for the OBR answer.

[Rich Ives]

MLBUM 5.2

(3) If the pitcher or any member of the defensive team throws the ball out of play when making

an appeal, such act shall be considered an attempted play. No further appeal will be allowed

on any runner at any base. (This refers to when an appeal is being made after a definite break

in action.)

[gobama84]

IMO, It kills all other appeals.

The rule book actually says it kills all other appeals on the same runner at the same base, but that is not how professional umpires enforce it.

IMO, The reasoning is, is that while the appeal is not considered a play, the err of throwing the ball out of play IS interpreted as an attempted play and therefore kills any subsequent appeals.

IMO, FED allows subsequent appeals after erring because there is no equivalent phrase to 7.10's "If the defensive team on its first appeal errs, a request for a second appeal on the same runner at the same base shall not be allowed by the umpire." and no equivalent interp that instructs umpires not to honor an appeal after an err.

The question is, if the ball's thrown out of play, how will the umpires know which runner was going to be appealed?

Why does that matter? If the defense errs in OBR, there are no more appeals, regardless of whom they were appealing. If the defense errs in FED, they can still appeal any runner at any base.

Part of the reason (i guess) in FED is that they are allowed to use dead ball appeals. If I have a coach try to appeal with the ball still live I will call time and ask him what he said. That way I might get an out. :notworthy:

[noumpere]

Part of the reason (i guess) in FED is that they are allowed to use dead ball appeals. If I have a coach try to appeal with the ball still live I will call time and ask him what he said. That way I might get an out.

You need to be careful about doing this because you might be depriving the offense of a chance to advance if the ball is misplayed during the appeal. Now that said I have used this technique in the past but specifically did not use it last night.