A tutorial on arguing with umpires

[JaxRolo]

Came across this today. Interesting reading.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/notebook/_/page/bbtn100528/baseball-tonight-clubhouse

[Armgdnman]

Pretty strong.

[tjthresh]

Yeah. Seems like that pretty much what most of us say every time an EJ video is posted.

[buddywilshire]

Not sure he really said anything about how, just more or less told us why.

You want to argue with me? Very simple. Come out and talk to me, don't start screaming as you leave the dugout. Say "Pat, I saw him do this, or the rule is this" Then when I say "Coach, He never did that he did this or no coach the rule is this way". If I say "he never did something" you are done. Nothing to talk about. If I say no the coach the rule is this way, I will let you have one or two seconds to think about it and ask anymore questions you have. If I explain it again and you still don't like it time to give it up because I'm done talking about it after explaing it twice. You can leave by saying "Blue I didn't see it that way" or "I don't think that is the rule" but if you say "Blue You are a (fill in the blank) and I didn't see it that way" Or "You don't know the rule, the rule is this way" You will no longer be allowed to play with us this evening.

I guess my point is there is ways to discuss a call with me, but never tell me I missed a call or tell me I need to do something, that I don't find pleasure in that.

[mstaylor]

Whenever there is a rule discussion and the coach stills disagrees with me I will give him the option to protest. I have said this many times here but I feel that there is no downside. Once you give him the option and he says no then the discussion is over.

[catoblue]

Interesting read. At the pro level, it would seem, that arguing with an umpire is a strategic thing, a tool in a manger's arsenal. At the LL level where I call games, arguing with an umpire is generally the result of a rat-coach being ignorant of a rule or simply being an a$$.

[buddywilshire]

Interesting read. At the pro level, it would seem, that arguing with an umpire is a strategic thing, a tool in a manger's arsenal. At the LL level where I call games, arguing with an umpire is generally the result of a rat-coach being ignorant of a rule or simply being an a$$.

I agree with this 100%. I recall Bobby Cox, or some other mananger who gets thrown out alot saying that almost all the times he gets tossed it is to protect a player because he doesn't want the player to get tossed. Even if the player is wrong, cox still stands up for him. I agruee that in LL the managers just either A. Don't know the rule or B. don't know how to argue. They can not discuss a call without it being personal.