Misleading the runner

[sasmallen]

i would have called obstruction on the shortstop. I would have warned the shortstop that if he did it again he would be ejected. In order to determine if it is ejection worthy I think I would have to be there.

What would you do in this situation?

Runner on third. Two outs, 3-2 count. I am the third baseman (i play high school baseball for Mission Viejo high School) and say "3-2, 2 outs, you're going". I was trying to get the runner to go home, so that if it was ball four, then we would tag the runner out at home or back at third. Anyways, I originally got called for obstruction, but my coach came out and had a discussion with the home plate umpire, who in turn asked the base umpire. After the umpire conference, the call was changed from obstruction to an out.

We won the game by 1 run.

You would call Obstruction going by the situation in the OP? Legion plays OBR (there are a few that play FED, I am under the assumption this was regular AMLeg), so what rule in OBR allows you to make a obstruction call? I have always been under the impression that this isn't Obstruction in OBR.

[mstaylor]

In the OP under AL or JUCO I am letting it go, the runner is old enough and experienced enough he shouldn't fall for it. Also, the base coaches should also be on this at those levels. HS down is a different story. Fed does have a VO rule and LL has weighed in saying they want it called there too. I've already given a resonse on the beaning portion of the thread.

[Lhaber9]

For the obstruction call, i think i would call this if the SS yelling "foul ball" caused the runner to retreat to first and was tagged out. in this case when he started to retreat to first base i would signal obstruction and award the runner second, not third because he would not have advanced to third had there been no obstruction.

Although, a smart runner will not leave the bag until the umpire tells him to do so. in a LL game i wouldn't call the obstruction if the runner simply said "that wasnt foul" and stayed where he was.

[PeteBooth]

The base umpire missed a chance to at least had an obstruction call, and also an ejection for F6's actions (since he heard it).

I agree with an EJ call but NOT an OBS call.

According to Roder, there is no such animal as verbal OBS in OBR. Players at the shaven age should KNOW not to listen to an opposing player. If they do not hear the umpire call FOUL do not 'trust" an oppenent.

I would EJ because it's inevitable that something "ugly" will happen next time this player comes to bat.

FED has a specific case play about verbal OBS so in a game played by FED rules you call OBS AND EJ the offender. Fed rules 2-22 and rule 3 governing EJ's

Pete Booth

[BrianC14]

I agree with an EJ call but NOT an OBS call.

According to Roder, there is no such animal as verbal OBS in OBR. Players at the shaven age should KNOW not to listen to an opposing player. If they do not hear the umpire call FOUL do not 'trust" an oppenent.

I would EJ because it's inevitable that something "ugly" will happen next time this player comes to bat.

FED has a specific case play about verbal OBS so in a game played by FED rules you call OBS AND EJ the offender. Fed rules 2-22 and rule 3 governing EJ's

Pete Booth

Legion games in my area are played under FED rulebook.

[UmpTTS43]

:WTFI can't believe that some of you guys would eject for this (saying "foul"). The very most I would have is OBS, and only in FED. Bush league no doubt. It has been awhile doing younger guys, but I would be inclined to tell the SS to knock it off and put the runner back. In HS and above I have an out and a good chuckle to myself. No way am I ejecting unless it is the runner for pure stupidity.

As far as me hearing a coach talking about a beaning, I would let him know, in no uncertain terms, that if a pitch is anywhere near the batter and I decide it is intentional, he's gone, head coach is gone and player is gone.

[okump96]

As far as me hearing a coach talking about a beaning, I would let him know, in no uncertain terms, that if a pitch is anywhere near the batter and I decide it is intentional, he's gone, head coach is gone and player is gone.

i didn't have to tell him any of that, he knew what the outcome would be and told me to go ahead and do what i needed to do about it. a call was made to our assignor after the game and he called the conference supervisor.

[mstaylor]

:WTFI can't believe that some of you guys would eject for this (saying "foul"). The very most I would have is OBS, and only in FED. Bush league no doubt. It has been awhile doing younger guys, but I would be inclined to tell the SS to knock it off and put the runner back. In HS and above I have an out and a good chuckle to myself. No way am I ejecting unless it is the runner for pure stupidity.

As far as me hearing a coach talking about a beaning, I would let him know, in no uncertain terms, that if a pitch is anywhere near the batter and I decide it is intentional, he's gone, head coach is gone and player is gone.

In HS, if you call VI, which is the correct call, then if it happens again then ejection is the prescribed call.

[Don]

It may be nothing by rule under OBR, but I would probably put the runner back and have a strong warning for F6. I'm not sure I would penalize it as obstruction, but F6 would certainly be guilty of unsportsmanlike conduct.

I'm not going to read any further, I see where this is going. Enforce the rules, and don't add any because you don't like. It is nothing under OBR and one base (not 3rd in this case) under FED. No warnings, just explain it to the OC when he complains about an out, in OBR game.