Dean

Just watching the video - the BR is following the line and then when the pitcher comes to field the ball, the BR runs inside the line as to initiate the contact. I understand F3's gripe.

well I kind of had it happen - but it was a casual game, third base man ran up to teh exiting coach - and the coach took 3 steps to met him. All I could think of was the pro game where the manager turned around after the trip was over and was charged a second trip on that. I didnt say anything - but was wondering how it should be applied at the college level - redassed, or just say dont do that or be charged.

whew - didnt have the book with me and I was confusing myself - but then it isnt HS season here until late may.

Ok so in HS we have reentry, pretty straight forward, So if we have the coach go out for his 4th trip he replaces F1 - who was the starter, could the coach reenter the starting F1 immediately, or would he need to have a new pitcher pitch to one batter/out before the starting F1 could reenter?

9-4-d states that the trip is over when the coach leaves the dirt circle, or when the pitcher begins the 8 warm up pitches. So if the coach leaves the dirt area and then goes to the 3rd baseman - would you charge the coach with a second trip? (9-4-a AR 1)

JuCo ball. 9 innings game, bottom of 6 Home team up 14-2; visiting team has like 8 errors. R1, 1 out. B2 sharply hits the ball in the dirt just in front of the plate and is quickly bounding towards third base - and will easily be foul - (if the 3rd baseman leaves it alone). The third baseman runs forward and swats the ball (that is still in fair territory) out of play and into Dead ball territory. So I point fair call time and award bases. Visiting couch comes out and said -"You were going to call that foul", my reply "Had your third baseman not touched it in fair territory, I would have.) He said "You have been horse SH*# all day" - Me - "you are done coachâ€, and I thought to myself, but didn't say "look at the score board I don’t think I have been horseSH*# all day."

Thanks Forest because d & e seemed to contradict each other - that explains it.

I already know the correct answer to this one. (It's not necessarily the one that is highlighted above) What do you guys have? I put "B", using 8-5-e. Visualizing the play, I'm thinking runners moving on contact means R3 & R2 unlikely to be able to get back to the base before F3 would be able to double them off, absent the interference. Granted -- depending on how fast R3 puts on the brakes, may be able to make it back, so this is a little gray for me. Rule says intent if immaterial, so I think that makes "A" and "D" incorrect. And if I use 8-5-e, it's the BR and the runner closest to home...so that makes "C" incorrect. Not a black and white play, but my best take via process of elimination... Looks like good logic to me. Since the interference was not intentional, I think the rule refrence is 8-5-d.

If the defense had appealed the BOO after Charles completed his turn at bat, the proper batter (Baker) would have been called out and Charles would be the next batter. The appeal doesn't come until after Baker bats though, so was Daniels supposed to be the proper batter and Baker batted in his place, so Daniels would be out? I believe, Dainels is declared out and Charles is returned to first.

link pleae

http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=30764389&topic_id=6479266 What is your ruling on this? 7.03 (a) Two runners may not occupy a base, but if, while the ball is alive, two runners are touching a base, the following runner shall be out when tagged and the preceding runner is entitled to the base, unless Rule 7.03(b) applies. Clearly they were not touching the base at the same time when tagged.

Was doing a game a few years ago. FED rule Varisty HS. So he had a pinch runner in the 2nd inning and then tied game in 7th put same said runner in as a CR - (I was base) - so other coach let one pitch go by then comes out and says it was an illegal sub. HP made correct call, So the offensive coach argues up and down that it was legal, as he did it last week with some "big time college umps" and we shoudl get the rule book and look it up on the field. I told him I was the rule book on the field....after the game I gave the rule book to the AD and he showed the coach the rule - the coaches response - "we don't play by them rules" So he alled the umps he had the wek before and they said they screwed the pouch and we had got it right - and they loved the way we handled the situation LOL.

NCAA 9-1(f) When taking signs, the pitcher must have the pivot foot touching the pitcher’s rubber. If the sign is taken in the windup position, the pitcher must use the windup to deliver the ball. If the sign is taken in the set position, the pitcher must use the set position to deliver the ball. If the pitcher steps back off the pitcher’s rubber with the pivot foot, this breaks the continuity. When the pitcher again touches the pitcher’s rubber, the delivery appropriate to the stance now assumed on the mound must be used. If the pitcher takes a sign from other than a legal position, the pitch shall be called a ball. 9-1 (J): Take the signs from the catcher with the pivot foot not touching the pitcher’s rubber; MLB OBR Pitchers shall take signs from the catcher while standing on the rubber. FED 6-1-1 (the pitcher) shall take his sign from the catcher with his pivot foot in contact with the pitchers plate All these rules seem to imply the rules writers wanted the pitcher to take signs (only) from the catcher and (only) while on the rubber. But I do agree that is one of those - do you grab the crap end of the stick or not.

I agree that a protest is a valid rule for a team/manager. But I am never going to invite him to use it, just like I am never going to invite any other optional rule the coach legitimately can use. If he doesn’t know the rule then it’s his loss. Though depending of the situation he may be going home early. Unless it is 110 degrees 80% humidity – may just make him suffer in the shaded dugout. LOL

- deleted - was gonna post my bad experince with travel ball -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/31/brian-johnson-injury-knocked-unconcsious_n_868884.html

There are 5 ways F1 can hit a batter and keep him in the box for another shot: Batter makes no attempt to move or moves in to the pitchBatter is hit while in the strike zoneBatter is hit when swingingR3 steals, F1 disengages and fires home and hits the batter.F1 balks and hits the batter. 4. it isnt a pitch now its a thrown ball. 5. depends on the rule set. Fed yes, NCAA and OBR no.

Just because you erred the first time through no fault of your own is no reason to err the second time. Skip the spot when it comes up again. This seems reasonable. After all two wrongs don't make a right.

You signaled an obvious catch? and before the playing action had stopped? ;)

This topic just came up Tuesday night at our HS Assoc. meeting. Based on our discussion, you did it correctly. Get the information and then make the call. Get it right the FIRST time. This is correct - get it right the first time. That was your call make it. Get in position to get that play with out help. 1st and 3rd - plate guy should be watching for a time play at home - not covering your ass.

Why did you and the third base coach allow the runner to get to the dug out? Just yell hey kid you get home, third base coach - he gets home. Ain't no way I let him get to the dug out without me knowing he wants to even after he heard me.

Didn't mean to take this into a diffrent direction (i.e. taking signs off the rubber) As many others have said - its nothing unless someone complains - then it is a don't do that discussion. If at older levels theycontinue to defy your direction (and the opposing coach is still complaining, you could remove them from the game for not following your directions, but it will NEVER get that far.

While what you described does not sound like a balk - remeber that F1 cannot take signs while off the pitching plate, cannot simulate coming set while stradling the rubber (bring the hands together would probably constitute that.) So while he can stand astride the rubber - he is restricted to what he may do. legally stepping on the rubber would be one of the things he could do.

Not a balk. It's a "do-over" FED 6-2-4-d-1 OBR 6.02(bee) Comment Rich do you have the NCAA ruleing?