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At every level I officiate we are told to do that, College to rec ball. This year in college with the new balk rule we are suppose to warn the pitcher during his warm ups if he isn't falling the new rule, and that is from the NCAA, Its actually covered in one of the Videos on the Hub if you have access to it. Most coaches I've every work with appreciate this as long as you do it on both sides.

Last time I saw this was a Cubs game a few years ago. Fielder slide and ran into Bullpen Personal. No out was given. Umpire's reasoning was that it wasn't intent. Not sure I agree with there call, But they are there for a reason.

This is the answer I got from everyone I talked to. I was really surprised when I started digging into it how little direction the rules actual give to situation like this. It's mostly interps. Thanks.

I agree with you that it is not a safe haven, But I'm probably not calling this INT on the play you said unless the box is super close to fair ground, the third baseman is playing in foul territory (which he can't do), really hugging the line, Or chipper Jones or A Rod are playing third. however, take a bloop or a popfly, The base coach must move as to not hinder the fielder. If he hinders in anyway there need not be contact with ball or player to call INT.

Well, this is getting out of hand quickly. I think I quit following this discussion. Plus, I'm not really sure I'm visualizing the OP correctly anyway.

I'll agree that it isn't necessary, but it should be used as and indicator to help determine firm and secure possession. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

This happen a couple of weeks ago, I called my college assigner, my HS assigner, an SEC umpire, an ACC umpire and my MiLB contact, and got a consensus from them, (if you can't tell, I didn't think they where right so I kept calling others people),but though I'd pose it on here. No one on and the outs are irrelevant. Ball hit down LF line fair, and kid in DT bullpen picks up live ball, then immediately drops it again. At the time the ball was picked up BR was in between 1st and 2nd. All of them said that this technical fall under spectator interference, and that ball is immediately dead and runners are place at umpires judgment. We placed him and second. I feel like we got it right, but for the wrong reasons, we were thinking of it more like GRD. What do y'all think? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Not saying your wrong, just never heard that interp, and I don't think that's in the spirt of the rule. But if that's what he wants to do then I'm either not granting time or putting his pitcher on the 20 second clock. That should end that pretty quick. Stalling a game is bush league, especially when your trying to find loop holes in the rules to do it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I feel like this is a trick question. HT wins in both. BR doesn't really matter because he will not be the third out. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Your right, my bad. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Unless he is tending to an injured player anytime the coach crosses foul line I've got it as a visit. Which you get one each inning in OBR. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Well there's actually few more: 7 wonders of the ancient world 7 wonders of the world 7 wonders of the new world 7 natural wonders of the world I guess I could still squeeze some umpiry things in though. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Your right. In my mind I put those in a different category. I was speaking more a positioning and movement things. In OBR there are 7 thing, I think, that are unpenalized infractions, where the umpire just calls time or tells them to fix it. now I've never actually seen in done in the MLB. that what I was talking about. Can't think of what they are off the top of my head though. I try and look them up later. Poor wording on my first post, sorry. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I know this is the HS feed, so I want spend much time on it, but in OBR and NCAA not all infractions are balks. Not sure off the top of my head if this is one or not, but I think it would still be a balk, so this really is a mute point. In Fed though all infractions can be considered balks if runners are on. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Live and inplay, Unless there are some crazy ground rules that where agreed on at the plate meeting.

Before the top of the first I normally run a couple of sprints down right field line and do some slight stretching. Gets my blood pumping and get a little extra cardio in for the day.

I don't think I've ever payed that much attention to the F3 during warmups. Not a bad idea though. I usually stand off in shallow right and ponder the many wonders of the world.

I think he did. If you look real close he pointed before the tag was made. So its either INT or terrible timing. could be either i guess. But, I agree I see no hindrance in this clip.

Haven't seen it, but it should be caught. Both guys should have there head on a swivel and one should catch it. With it being a bunt it's a littler tougher bc it add some more responsibilities to UIC (who's job this would normally be), but he missed by like 10 ft, surly that would catch my attention. On a side not this is ridiculous. I would serious ponder bending over and telling F2 to appeal 3rd as I was dusting the plate off ( I wouldn't actually, but I sure would want to). Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Unless I'm in a 6 man crew. HR. 6 man is the only way you could possible get a decent read unless it was just crazy obvious(like the tree hang over several feet) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

This kinda stuff aggravates me to no end. Umpiering is about getting the calls right, first and foremost. Your a team out there and it's your job. Plus what umpire doesn't want outs. (Ones that are scared to make the call). But, this is an instance where did give my partner a non verbal cue (small point and a nod a shake or something similar) if I'm uic, or if I'm the field guy I just straight up point or look to him. Non verbals should be a big part of your umping game. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I didn't think OBR changed. I know college did this year or last. But, yes falling/losing balance matter before. For example, if a player crossed dead ball line (lots of college fields have these), like in a large opening or something, and the player didn't fall, the ball stayed in play. I can't remember if he had to renter live ball area to throw or not. But what this means is that the runners do not get a free base. This is something I've never see happen or even heard about besides Case plays. I guess since the rules has change, according to rich ives, I never will. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

On a close pay he should not be trying to be flashy or mess around, save that for the times you have the BR beat by 10 steps. catch the ball like a normal first baseman. I have no problem with the safe call. Also, if it was so quick that coach thought that it was a bobble it probably was. Almost every time I've ever called that I coach has come out. Don't over think stuff, your guts right most of the time.

I didn't say they could be a deep debate, just that this topic could lead to discussion on catch and carry rules across the different rule sets. Easy call all the way. And the alternate options given a OP are a little out there. I guess i worded my first post poorly.

I think as a whole, to many people are looking for balks. call the obvious ones, and try to warn/correct position errors. To this point I have not seen a pitcher that i couldn't tell if they where in the set or windup position. I'm sure they're are some that can disguise it i just haven't seen any. I was at a camp and had a MLB guy tell the group, "that a balk is on of two things (at HS and lower NCAA level), 1) blatantly against the rules or 2) deceiving the runner." He followed that up by saying, "If David Otiz is at first there is next to nothing a pitcher can do to balk, Ortiz isn't going anywhere and everyone knows it." This has really changed the way I look at balks. So many people try to over think it. Side note: I hope FED lines up With NCAA windup rules in the next few years. it much simpler. Takes the feet out of the equation and are only looking at the shoulders, are they squared (or close) to the plate=windup; or to the foul line= set.