OhioTex

I was told taught once to watch her feet.. if the slapper is doing the cross over step towards pitcher. She has not squared for a bunt. on two strikes , watch more for making contact while stepping out of the box than worry about a 2 strike bunt foul. to me that is pretty cut and dry way to assess but never asked any one for a formal reference. Be interested to hear experts opinions.

@rich ives, thanks. that is helpful to know

Thanks for the fast replies. Seems to be consensus so far, batter out. As i expected. @ ALL @ Rich ives, @ noumpere @ elkOil @ white47 @ Radie 88 - ALL THANKS .. - I can not elaborate more on the "foul" side logic, because I advocated the out. the statements i posted were nearly verbatim and advocated an illegal catch. that said, I truly respect the others opinion, he is more senior than me . At times we all can get confused and get a 'misunderstanding' stuck in our head, and just hard to get out. .and Ok, perhaps some adult beverages may have added to the discussion .(grin) @Rich ives,.. yes, I have seen, and part of what prompted the debate. i suspect you have too .. .. See last sunday May 9, 12th inning, Cubs Yankees (Schwarber Catch) and Last month April 26, 3rd inning, Yankees vs Red socks (Judge catch) both ended up feet over wall with the called outs made. In high school ball, more likely a simple step across a painted or even an imaginary out of bounds line (the over the wall and MLB scenario seemed more clear for a forum post scenario) - In fact, in researching this, my partner found NFHS Case book 5.1.1 L cleared up for high school. @white47 - You say, Cut and Dry because "he fell" ... Is falling really a key part? I would think not, i think what matters is catch made in field of play and then fielder went out of play - regardless if fell, walked, Ran or just stepped out of play (in MLB of course no simple lines to just walk out of play, rather walls and dug outs) . @Radie 88 - thanks for the understanding and reminder. I am a new umpire and trying to learn and improve and when a more senior umpire than me has a different point of view, i try to listen, understand and learn. this time i may have been right, but that is not always the case- the shoe can often be on the other foot.

Oh no, At Varsity level too. I am a new Umpire in Central Ohio and in two man crews, I was taught, Plate Umpire has primary responsibility on tag up if runner at third, every time, simple as that. Plate = tag up at third. Even on fly ball to outfield down RF line, and plate ump "has the line" to make the F/F CnC call, but then glance to third as Plate ump still has primary responsibility on third base tag up. Depending on runner/out situation and base ump position, a base ump can help out, but taught to confer with partner if a question.

had a fun, spirited debate the other day, and thought i would share to solicit other opinions on the correct umpire call? (ORB first, and then if different for NCAA or NFHS) Situation = 1 out, R1 on 1st base, Batter 1-1 count, Description = Batter pops up in foul territory, left fielder runs in hard and makes play near 3 foot out of play wall. Fielder catches ball in foul territory, but then falls over the wall into the stands out of play. The fielder shows the catch and ball held in his glove (no debate, catch made). Question? = What is proper umpire call for both Batter and Runner? Further Context ...(color emphasis added to highlight difference of opinion) The discussion started with statement, "A fielder, after catching a fly ball, falls into dead-ball territory. In this scenario, a fielder having made a legal catch while in live-ball territory, is carried into dead-ball territory, where he then falls. The ball is dead and all base runners advance one base. The batter remains at the plate because it's no longer a catch, but rather simply a foul ball." The counter position was " the ball should be called dead, and runner awarded 2nd base, and batter should be out" (so 2 outs, next batter up, not Foul ball and batter returns with 1-2 count.) the rebuttal cited an interpretation of change in rule 5.06 (b) (3) (c) , the rule change by MLB on catch and carry in 2016. specifically, " ... catch-and-carry no longer exists. Any live ball that is carried into dead ball territory is now considered a dead ball and is not a legal catch" given the situation and the discussion, what is the correct umpire call, in MLB (and then if different in NCAA or NFHS) thanks in advance for the replies and education /OhioTex