Missed first base mechanics

[Dragon29]

therefump,

I'm not going to argue with you. To me, it's simple.

If it's not simple to you, so be it.

[Mr Umpire]

I've already asked once for MLB or MiLB references. Give me some concrete examples from these please.

PBUC manual or MLBUM and they both have the mechanic in writing. I will quote it later.

[mstaylor]

Go look at the top of page 5 and you will see the quote from the MLBUM.

[Mr Umpire]

Go look at the top of page 5 and you will see the quote from the MLBUM.

Yes. Noumpere stated the quote. It is play 12 under section 5 in the MLBUM.

[crazyaboutcoues]

Wouldn't you know it...after all this discussion about the missed first base mechanics and it never happening, well it happen to me last night.

Close play at first and the runner did not touch the bag...i called safe...and the DC told the F3 to tag the runner because he missed first base, F3 tagged him (before he got back to the bag) and I called him out. OC of course wanted to know why i called him safe in the first place. I simply told him that that was the mechanics for that situation. he said OK...

After the game I explained to the coaches the (because they were curious) right mechanics and told about the lenghty discussion here on this board about that particular situation. .

[Mr Umpire]

That is why we discuss these things. So that when they do come up, everyone gets them right. Good job in calling it appropriately and explaining it. Now, when the next umpire comes and calls it right, both teams will already know. And, if that umpire doesn't do it right, then the coach can let him know he is wrong and needs to find out the correct way to handle it.

Good Job.:D

[crazyaboutcoues]

Thanks Mr. U...I actually thought it would never happen to me...

[willv28]

This happened in the Red Sox game last night. Announcers had no idea about it and I assume the defense didn't catch it.

[treedog24]

two nights ago, Ground ball to F6, F6 bobbles picks it up and throw to F3. BR passes the base but steps over it. I give a safe signal but I clearly saw the BR step over the bag. The BR says to BC " I step over the base, I'm out right?" as he headed back to the bag and beyond(?) F3 looks at me and then the BC said "get on the bag" F3 turns to BR and tags him right after he touches 1st, I signal "SAFE". F1 who is watching the play looks at me and goes but he said he missed the bag. I go "your right but he's there now." DC who is a BOD member and knows the rules just looks at me and shakes his head.

In between innings DC comes out to coach first base and he looks at me "All he (F3) to do was tag him. This just not our day." :wow:

[Mr Umpire]

I agree with Jboval...your just asking for an ass chewing by calling him out after an appeal is made:BD:. The coaches are going to want to know why you just didn't call him out in the first place for not touching the bag, then trying to explain the rule which is vague and nowhere clearly defined. Does anyone have any pull with the committe that revises rules every few years?

I figured I would point out the two different quotes here. In this one, you thought you would get chewed out for making 2 different calls on the same play.

Close play at first and the runner did not touch the bag...i called safe...and the DC told the F3 to tag the runner because he missed first base, F3 tagged him (before he got back to the bag) and I called him out. OC of course wanted to know why i called him safe in the first place. :crazy: I simply told him that that was the mechanics for that situation. he said OK...

And, then, you found out how easy it is to make this ruling on 2 different actions. To everyone in the park, they knew why he was called out. It was on the appeal and not on the play. So, they thought you called the play correctly and then knew you called the appeal correctly.

And, I might point out. Notice how the normal mechanics did not tip off the defense. But, they knew he missed it b/c they paid attention and made the appeal which was obvious to everyone in the park.

Imagine what the offense would have said if you called him out and told the coach it was b/c he missed the base. A good coach will get you b/c he knows it is an appeal play once the runner has passed the base.

Take it FWIW but this is a classic example for the mechanics. No one was tipped off and the explanation was easy and simple with little to no argument. Remember, the fundamental rule of running the bases is to acquire legal possession of the base, not actually touching the base. Big difference.

Edited May 23, 2009 by Mr Umpire

[crazyaboutcoues]

You're right:nod:...I was concerned with the outcome in a play like that. But what sold the call was being able to explain the call with confidence (not arrogance). It's like getting a shot, you're hating the anticipation of the pain but when it's done it didn't even hurt. :crazy:

[mstaylor]

It good to see the point we were trying to make actually proven by someone that hadn't used it before. It adds credance to our point. Good job.

[Mr Umpire]

Ok, that makes sense. At what point would he be considered passed the bag? When his leading foot touches the ground after the bag?

I also assume with 2 out and with a successful appeal, no runs would score.

This is one I might have difficulty selling, simplicity is big around here, they're not used to anything else.

I didn't notice if your question was answered. If there are 2 outs and a successful appeal is done for this, then no runs score just like an appeal on any base which a runner is forced to.

But, as crazy:fuel: found out, it is simple to sell this call. Everyone will understand the difference.

All you have to say is "He was safe on the play but he missed 1B and was out on appeal." Very simple and explains everything. Nothing more is needed unless you have a dense coach.:crazy:

Edited May 23, 2009 by Mr Umpire

[mstaylor]

I didn't notice if your question was answered. If there are 2 outs and a successful appeal is done for this, then no runs score just like an appeal on any base which a runner is forced to.

But, as crazy:fuel: found out, it is simple to sell this call. Everyone will understand the difference.

All you have to say is "He was safe on the play but he missed 1B and was out on appeal." Very simple and explains everything. Nothing more is needed unless you have a dense coach.

The runner is considered passsed the base when his trail foot crosses the outfield edge of the base. The whole logic behind this discussion is the runner has aquired the base when he is by the bag. For that to happen, all of him has to pass.