Resolve this fielder falling out of play caseplay?

[MAUmpire]

Have been working through an old MILB manual I found online here: http://www.umpire.at/wp-content/uploads/PBUC_Manual.pdf.

Grain of salt given the old reference, but help me make sense of these case plays (page 57-58)...

I don't understand how play 1 could ever happen. I've got rule 5.12(b)(6) that says the ball is dead and runners advance one base when a fielder catches a ball and then steps or falls out of play.  So I've killed the play before the catcher has a chance to drop the ball, right? I don't see how play 1 is any different than play 5, and why play 5 isn't the correct ruling for both plays...am I crazy?

[Velho]

Is that from the “catch & carry” days?

[Replacematt]

10 minutes ago, MAUmpire said:

Have been working through an old MILB manual I found online here: http://www.umpire.at/wp-content/uploads/PBUC_Manual.pdf.

Grain of salt given the old reference, but help me make sense of these case plays (page 57-58)...

I don't understand how play 1 could ever happen. I've got rule 5.12(b)(6) that says the ball is dead and runners advance one base when a fielder catches a ball and then steps or falls out of play.  So I've killed the play before the catcher has a chance to drop the ball, right? I don't see how play 1 is any different than play 5, and why play 5 isn't the correct ruling for both plays...am I crazy?

There used to be a difference between entering a dugout and remaining standing and entering a dugout and falling. A fielder could catch a ball, go into the dugout, and if they remained upright, the ball was in play. Dropping the ball while in the dugout or throwing it and hitting something out of play was a two-base award.

[MAUmpire]

@Velho@Replacematt -- last copyright on the doc was 2012 -- that solves it then. Thanks! Free pdfs on the internet are worth what you pay for.

[Replacematt]

13 minutes ago, MAUmpire said:

@Velho@Replacematt -- last copyright on the doc was 2012 -- that solves it then. Thanks! Free pdfs on the internet are worth what you pay for.

https://ipmall.law.unh.edu/sites/default/files/hosted_resources/SportsEntLaw_Institute/League rules, regulations/official_baseball_rules.pdf

Rules 5.10(f), 6.05(a), and 7.04(c) in this version are what govern your question.

[jimurrayalterego]

18 minutes ago, MAUmpire said:

@Velho@Replacematt -- last copyright on the doc was 2012 -- that solves it then. Thanks! Free pdfs on the internet are worth what you pay for.

Someone on U-E in the past posted a link to the 2019 MLBUM that somehow ended up on the web. I don't know if it still is available but some here might have downloaded it when we they could.

[Replacematt]

12 minutes ago, jimurrayalterego said:

Someone on U-E in the past posted a link to the 2019 MLBUM that somehow ended up on the web. I don't know if it still is available but some here might have downloaded it when we they could.

https://cdn1.sportngin.com/attachments/document/d73f-3191917/2019_MLB_Umpire_Manual-1.pdf

 

[MAUmpire]

5 hours ago, Replacematt said:

https://cdn1.sportngin.com/attachments/document/d73f-3191917/2019_MLB_Umpire_Manual-1.pdf

 

thank you!!