Does the run count?

[Wes]

2 outs

bases loaded

ball hit between 2nd and 3rd fielded by 3B

3B mishandles ball then chases down the trailing runner. Prior to the tag, the leading runner crosses home plate. The batter-hitter has not yet reached first.

Does the run count?

[Vegas_Ump]

Any time you retire any FORCED runner by any means (tag the bag, tag the player, appeal for missing a base to which he was forced, etc........on the third out,) no runs score!

Now if R2 touched third base legally and then was tagged out, it's a timing play, and from the OP it sounds like the run does score.

HTBT!

Mike

Las Vegas

[Wes]

25 minutes ago, Vegas_Ump said:

Any time you retire any FORCED runner by any means (tag the bag, tag the player, appeal for missing a base to which he was forced, etc........on the third out,) no runs score!

Now if R2 touched third base legally and then was tagged out, it's a timing play, and from the OP it sounds like the run does score.

HTBT!

Mike

Las Vegas

Thank you for clarifying the "by any means" part. That was what I was questioning the most. Appreciate it greatly!

[beerguy55]

9 hours ago, Wes said:

Thank you for clarifying the "by any means" part. That was what I was questioning the most. Appreciate it greatly!

Think of it this way - and it's a good way to explain it to anyone you know who doesn't understand this.

"Force" is a status applied to the runner, not to the method in which is he put out.

The runner is forced to advanced to the next base...the only things that remove that status is a following runner getting put out, or successfully reaching the next base. (and, yes, if the runner comes off the base towards the previous base, the force status is reinstated)

If the runner makes the third out while under that status, then the third-out run-scoring rules apply.

Tagging a runner can be a force.

And tagging the base isn't always a force.