Missed 1B appeal

[ricka56]

So I come in, pivot and see BR miss 1B on his way to the double, Freshman F3 says "Blue, he missed the base". I say "OK, do something about it" (I know I shouldn't give them a clue, but nobody teaches kids how to make a missed base appeal). F3 starts yelling for the ball, and BR takes off from 2B trying to "steal" 1B. The throw is off the base, but F3 tags the base before BR/R2 touches and I grant the appeal. Funny part was after I called BR out, he complains that he had not missed the base. But he didn't have an answer when I asked him, "if you touched the base, why were you trying to turn a double into a single ?"

 

Question that I have is, with the runner trying to return to correct his base running mistake, should I have required a tag of the runner (not just the base) for this appeal ?

[afaber12]

The only time an appeal for a missed base requires the runner be tagged rather than the base is when the runner missed home but is attempting to correct it.

Otherwise either the runner or the base can be tagged.

[maven]

The only time an appeal for a missed base requires the runner be tagged rather than the base is when the runner missed home but is attempting to correct it. Otherwise either the runner or the base can be tagged.

Agree, as IIRC WUM has an interp to this effect. HS game, I say, "time! What was that?"

[Cav]

JR manual had a piece about viable appeals during "relaxed" and "unrelaxed" action. 

[noumpere]

FED case 8.2.2E is just about this play. "Since the runner has initiated action to return, the defense must tag him, unless it is a force play,"

 

A couple of points on this:

 

1) for this purpose, treat BR to first as a force

 

2) I view the timing based on when the defense starts the appeal process (here, F3 yelling for the ball), not when the appeal is actually made.  The closer R2 is to the base when this starts, the more the benefit of the doubt goes to the runner,  Since BR was all the way to second, he gets no bebefit of the doubt.

[maven]

JR manual had a piece about viable appeals during "relaxed" and "unrelaxed" action. 

 

For OBR-based codes, the WUM ruling has superseded that concept.

 

Here's that interp, verbatim: "If a runner overruns or overslides home plate, misses it but remains in the immediate vicinity and is returning to touch it, he must be tagged to be out. THIS RULE APPLIES ONLY TO HOME PLATE. At any other base whether a runner is immediately attempting to return to correct a violation or not, either he or the base may be tagged for an appeal anytime the ball is alive (7.10d)" (See 2015 BRD §21)

 

So even if the runner is 10 feet from a base (not HP) and scrambling back — what J/R labels "unrelaxed" action — his miss can be appealed by a fielder tagging the missed base.

 

 

FED case 8.2.2E is just about this play. "Since the runner has initiated action to return, the defense must tag him, unless it is a force play,"

 

Carl notes in the same section just quoted: "When a runner overslides but misses the base, he is out when tagged. If it is a force play, or if he has touched a succeeding base, he is out when he or the base is tagged. (8-4-2i)"

 

Since in this play the BR made it all the way to 2B, the appeal may be made by tagging 1B, even if the BR is attempting to return (and no matter how close he might be).

[noumpere]

 

 

 

FED case 8.2.2E is just about this play. "Since the runner has initiated action to return, the defense must tag him, unless it is a force play,"

 

Carl notes in the same section just quoted: "When a runner overslides but misses the base, he is out when tagged. If it is a force play, or if he has touched a succeeding base, he is out when he or the base is tagged. (8-4-2i)"

 

Since in this play the BR made it all the way to 2B, the appeal may be made by tagging 1B, even if the BR is attempting to return (and no matter how close he might be).

 

 

I see that in the BRD, but the rule referenced does not seem to contain that phrase.  Not saying I disagree, just that I need to research more.