No Run Scores

[jjskitours]

On a timing play when the runner fails to cross the plate before the 3rd out, what are the mechanics. I believe the vocal is "no run scores" or "the run does not count", but is there an acceptable hand signal. I used a back and forth with my hands at waist height or lower (no more than a foot out with each arm) to indicate my NO, but a fan said it looked like I was ruling safe. If I just point, that is what I would do for "Score that run". Any advice?

[noumpere]

Wave / cross your hands over your head.  Like a "stop the clock" signal in football.

 

The fan is right that if it's too low, it looks like safe and can be confusing.

[Texas Manny]

From the Jim Evans Maximizing the Two Man Umpiring System, pg274, Section 12.33 Time Play.

 

If a runner is approaching home plate attempting to score as a play is being made on a following runner for the third out, it is the plate umpire's responsibility to align the plate with the play on the following runner. If the play for the third out is occuring at first base, the plate umpire would align home plate with the play at first from the first base line extended 10-12 feet in foul territory. If the play for the third out is occurring at second base, the plate umpire would align home plate with the play at second from a position off the point of the plate 10-12 feet in foul territory. If the play for the third out is occurring at third base, the plate umpire would align the plate with the play at third form the third base line extended 10-12 feet in foul territory.

 

Positioning at the plate:

 

Run scores: Pointing at the plate twice, saying "That run scores! That run scores!", then turn around to the official scorer, point at him and say "Score that run!"

 

No Run: Turn your back to home plate, face the official scorer and wave off your hands above your head, saying: "No run scores! No run scores!"

 

The wave off must be given above your head so that it cannot be misinterpreted as a safe signal.

 

 

From the Wendelstedt Umpire School Comprehensive Manual for the Two-Umpire System, pg 103, drawings, 105, reference situations pgs 117, 158, 194, 195, and 208.

 

Same as the Jim Evans notations, except language for run scoring and no run. 

 

Run Scores for HW is: Pointing twice while saying: "Score that run! Score that run!", turning to the official scorer, pointing, saying:"That run scores!"

 

No RUN for HW is: Turning back to home plate, facing official scorer, while waving hands over head, saying twice: "No Run! No Run!"

 

If multiple runners are crossing the plate at approximately the same time, but only one run scored before the out was made, the plate umpire will hold up one finger to the press box and declare "One Run Scores!"

 

 

*** End of citations. ***

 

 

(Note verbalage differences between JE and HW)

 

 

 

Now, since most amatuer leagues do not have an official scorer, I recommend doing the following:

 

Run Scores: Do as above, pointing to the plate twice, then turn to home dugout first, point at manager, and say "Score that run!". Then turn to the visiting manager, and say "Score that run!"

 

No run: Turn to the home dugout first, and wave off the run, saying to the home manager: "No run scores! No run scores". Then turn to the visiting manager, and do the same.

[grayhawk]

I was taught the verbal for each should be:

 

When the run counts:  "Run scores!" towards one bench, "Run Scores!" towards the other bench   "Score that run!" towards the scorekeeper.

Mechanic:  Point at the plate (or the runner) while declaring the verbal.

 

When the run doesn't count:  "No run!" towards one bench.  "No run!" towards the other bench.  "No run!" towards the scorekeeper.

Mechanic:  Waving arms above the head as noumpere described above.

 

Keep the word "scores" out of the verbal when the run doesn't count because when people hear the word "scores" they can misinterpret thinking the run does score.

 

YMMV.

[Texas Manny]

I was taught the verbal for each should be...

Just passing along what the manuals say. No offense meant to those whose verbalage may be a hair different, but offered as a basis for fundamental training.

[grayhawk]

 

I was taught the verbal for each should be...

Just passing along what the manuals say. No offense meant to those whose verbalage may be a hair different, but offered as a basis for fundamental training.

 

 

None taken.  I was actually writing my post before I saw yours.  Taking the word "scores" out of the verbal when the run doesn't count is a minor detail, but I think "No run!" conveys the information effectively.

[Texas Manny]

Follow-up to the references given above, from the Wendelstedt Umpire School Comprehensive Manual for the Two-Umpire System, the following are considered time play scenarios:

 

Pg. 117 Runner on Second

Pg. 158 Runners on First and Second

Pg. 194 Runners on First and Third, Fly ball to the outfield with one out: Catch: Runners tag up: Time play at second.

Pg. 195 Runners on First and Third, Fly ball to the outfield with one out: Catch: R3 tags up/R1 returns: Time play at first.

Pg. 208 Runners on Second and Third, Fly ball to the outfield with one out: Catch: Runners tag up: Time play at third.

 

Time Play Signal Plate Umpire: With right hand, using the pointing and middle finger, extend to form "V", indicating two. Signal can be given across the left breast, or against the left wrist at the waist line.

 

Time Play Signal Base Umpire: With right hand, using the pointing and middle finger, extend to form "V", indicating two. Signal can be given across the left breast, or against the left wrist at the waist line.

 

Each partner will respond in kind to the others signal.

 

(End of Wendelstedt)

 

 

 

Follow-up to the references given above, from the Jim Evans Maximizing the Two-Umpire System, Communication and Signaling, Signals Between Partners, 12.11 Time Play Signal

 

Time plays may occur in a variety of situations. It is not practical to give the time play signal in each conceivable case. Anytime there are two outs and a runner on second, it is recommended that the signal be given. This would include situations in which there is a runner on second only, runners on first and second, runners on second and third, or bases loaded. It is important that the plate umpire stays alert and recognizes that a time play at the plate can occur on a play which started with only one out.

 

Time Play Signal Plate Umpire: The plate umpire initiates the signal by indicating two outs with the index and middle fingers on his right hand extended in front of his chest. He then points to the plate with his right index finger. This is a reminder that he is staying home. The base umpire mirrors the signal.

 

(End of Jim Evans)

 

 

(Please note the great differences between the two schools of thought)

 

 

 

Professional Baseball Umpire Corporation, Manual for the Two-Umpire System, Section 4.9, Pg 42-43, Time plays: (WUS: Wendelstedt Umpire School; JE: Jim Evans)

 

• Concurs with WUS and JE in scenarios.
• Concurs with JE in verbalage and mechanics in scoring a run.
• Concurs with WUS and JE in verbalage and mechanics in denying a run.
• Concurs with JE in verbalage and mechanics in scoring "X" number of runs.
• Concurs with JE in Signals between umpires.

 

(End of PBUC)

 

 

(Please note the shared principles of PBUC with the two schools of thought)

 

 

 

 

 

Just passing along what the manuals say. No offense meant to those whose signals may be a hair different, but offered as a basis for fundamental training.