Getting help

[th3]

On the first call he was on the wrong position and missed the call. The PU had it,I had it in the pressbox. It was a simple no brainer call that he needs to make. Then the call at first was right and he was in position, but because he had already gone on the first one, he had to go a second time. Don't go the first thinking and all is good.

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MS. So you know that the U2 missed the call because he was out of position and you know the U1 had the angle and you still don't think there should be a way to get it right? I agree that it opens the door to constant requests. Maybe we should use the "I have more info" sign in a case like this and go for help before the coach asks for it.

[UMP45]

 

On the first call he was on the wrong position and missed the call. The PU had it,I had it in the pressbox. It was a simple no brainer call that he needs to make. Then the call at first was right and he was in position, but because he had already gone on the first one, he had to go a second time. Don't go the first thinking and all is good.

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MS. So you know that the U2 missed the call because he was out of position and you know the U1 had the angle and you still don't think there should be a way to get it right? I agree that it opens the door to constant requests. Maybe we should use the "I have more info" sign in a case like this and go for help before the coach asks for it.

 

[noumpere]

In a two-man crew, the base umpire getting "help" on a straight steal of third base by R2 is simply not an acceptable mechanic, period.  If an MiLB umpire in "A" ball did what the base umpire in the OP did, his partner would make him pay for the next three dinners and, if he was being evaluated, the PBUC evaluator would rake him over the coals to his face after the game in the locker room and on his written end-of-season evaluation. 

 

There are times to get together and "get it right," and there are times where its "your call, period."  This OP is an example of the latter.  If you do the former in this situation, you might as well get the rodeo clowns ready.

Unless there was some really weird thing that mstaylor didn't post (and if it was there he would have) then I agree with this.  As it stands both coaches think you kicked it and were lazy or surprised or whatever.  Why compound that with having them also think you can be walked on.

 

And by weird thing, I mean tripping over the sprinkler head or something.

 

And, of course if the manager has or thinks he has information that you don't like the ball was dropped or something.   But if its just judgement on the timing of the tag vs the base then no way.  And that should be true even at the youth level so they learn what to do and not to do.

[Specks]

 

On the first call he was on the wrong position and missed the call. The PU had it,I had it in the pressbox. It was a simple no brainer call that he needs to make. Then the call at first was right and he was in position, but because he had already gone on the first one, he had to go a second time. Don't go the first thinking and all is good.

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MS. So you know that the U2 missed the call because he was out of position and you know the U1 had the angle and you still don't think there should be a way to get it right? I agree that it opens the door to constant requests. Maybe we should use the "I have more info" sign in a case like this and go for help before the coach asks for it.

 

In this case you don't have more information you have different information based on the same set of facts. You both saw the same play, you thought the outcome was different, but it was his call to make. We don't umpire by commitee, we each have our own calls and responsibilities. Don't grant appeals just because the coach doesn't like the call, he must have a legit reason to request an appeal.

[th3]

I dont disagree and would never go to my partner in this situation...its just interesting that getting it right is not the final goal sometimes

[Mudder]

Not to hijack the thread, but I'm PU, 2 strikes on a RHB, next pitch is a breaking ball away, catcher is going down with his glove to catch the pitch, batter late swings and tips the ball and it goes directly toward the catcher's glove that is on its way down to catch the pitch (the glove was maybe an inch or 2 above the ground) I rule a clean catch (foul tip) for strike 3, as I did not see or hear the ball skip off the ground into the catcher's glove. 

 

Defense is yelling it hit the ground, although the coach did not ask me to go for help, I voluntarily went to my partner and mentioned I was partially screened out form view of the ball and did he have anything different from me.  He said no.

 

Should I have gone for help or stuck with my call?

[HeadHunterLA]

If I have to ask for help from B on a simple stolen base its time to pack it in.  Agree we want to get it right but do not open that can of worms, ever.

[Specks]

Not to hijack the thread, but I'm PU, 2 strikes on a RHB, next pitch is a breaking ball away, catcher is going down with his glove to catch the pitch, batter late swings and tips the ball and it goes directly toward the catcher's glove that is on its way down to catch the pitch (the glove was maybe an inch or 2 above the ground) I rule a clean catch (foul tip) for strike 3, as I did not see or hear the ball skip off the ground into the catcher's glove. 

 

Defense is yelling it hit the ground, although the coach did not ask me to go for help, I voluntarily went to my partner and mentioned I was partially screened out form view of the ball and did he have anything different from me.  He said no.

 

Should I have gone for help or stuck with my call?

Why was the defense yelling it hit the ground, your call benefited them? Your partner should have been giving you a discreet sign if the ball bounced or was caught. That's not a situation I would ask for help. If he gives you a sign, take the advice. If not make the call as to what you saw and move on.

[Mudder]

Something another umpire once told me when I'm not in good position to make a call is to delay my call a few seconds, while taking a few steps to get that better angle.  Sort of use the few steps to step into your safe or out call.

 

Yes it is taught, check out this video starting at 3:35