Easy <acronym title='Batting Out of Order'>BOO </acronym>question

[1dumbquestion]

I was at an association meeting last night and we were going over BOO situations. I've always thought I had a good understanding of BOO rules until this one came up.

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TOP of 1st Baker comes to the plate to lead off and singles, Abel comes to the plate and singles on 1 pitch. Now with Baker on 2nd and Able on 1st Charles come to the plate and before anything happens the D appeal BOO. SO, here is how I understand BOO. The pitch to Able legalized Bakers at bat, when the D appeals before Able is legalized Ables at-bat is nulified Baker is returned to 1st, Charles (who missed his at-bat) is called out and the following batter Daniel is up[6.07 (d)(1)]. This is how I see it but last night the consensus was that even though Charles was called out HE is also up because he follows R1 (Baker) in the order. Have I lost my mind? please show your work. Thanks, 1

[noumpere]

You need a new study group. If Charles is out he cant possibley bat again.

[JaxRolo]

Why is Charles out?

Able is out for BOO

[1dumbquestion]

Why is Charles out?

Able is out for BOO

Hey Jax, once a pitch was thrown to Able Bakers at-bat becomes legal thus making Charles the next legal batter, when Able finished his at bat and the D appealed Charles is called out for missing his legal time at bat. Sounds strange I know, but thats just the way it is. 1

[cbiesecker]

The situation from the OP:

Baker BOO - no one notices. Baker hits and moves to 1st.

Able comes to bat, 1st pitch legalizes Baker, proper batter is Charles.

Able hits and moves to 1st, Baker moves to 2nd.

Defense appeals BOO.

Proper batter is out - Charles is out. Baker returns to 1st. Abel goes to the bench.

Next proper batter is Daniel. He should be at bat.

I think your group is confusing it with this scenario:

Baker BOO - no one notices. Baker hits and moves to 1st.

Daniel comes to bat, 1st pitch legalizes Baker, proper batter is Charles.

Daniel hits and moves to 1st, Baker moves to 2nd.

Defense appeals BOO.

Proper batter is out - Charles is out. Baker returns to 1st.

Next proper batter is Daniel. He now bats again as the proper batter.

[AJtheUMP]

When one becomes legal the order starts fresh from that point. So you could skip 5, but if he becomes legal the order picks up there. They cant try to fix it so that everyone "gets their turn". Abel just goes away (dugout), Charles is out (he "let" someone bat for him) and Daniel goes to bat.... right?

I'm writing this in a way I understand to confirm that I'm doing it right myself....

[1dumbquestion]

Baker BOO - no one notices. Baker hits and moves to 1st.

Able comes to bat, 1st pitch legalizes Baker, proper batter is Charles.

Able hits and moves to 1st, Baker moves to 2nd.

Defense appeals BOO.

Proper batter is out - Charles is out. Baker returns to 1st. Abel goes to the bench.

Next proper batter is Daniel. He should be at bat.

I think your group is confusing it with this scenario:

Baker BOO - no one notices. Baker hits and moves to 1st.

Daniel comes to bat, 1st pitch legalizes Baker, proper batter is Charles.

Daniel hits and moves to 1st, Baker moves to 2nd.

Defense appeals BOO.

Proper batter is out - Charles is out. Baker returns to 1st.

Next proper batter is Daniel. He now bats again as the proper batter.

I wish they were confusing the two but they are not. after the meeting I went to the instructor and both he and a highly respected umpire in this group tried to convince me (but did not succeed) that the out of Charles was sort of like a "team penelty" and since R1 is Baker then Charles must be up. I held my belief and am now convinced I understand BOO. Thanks, 1

[sdix00]

Baker is legalized.

Charles is the next legal batter.

---BUT Able batted for him

---Defense properly appeals, so Charles is called out for not batting in his proper slot

------Abel is removed.

------Baker's advance on the hit was not legal so Baker is returned to 1st.

After Charles is called out on appeal, Daniel is the next batter.

[JaxRolo]

Why is Charles out?

Able is out for BOO

Hey Jax, once a pitch was thrown to Able Bakers at-bat becomes legal thus making Charles the next legal batter, when Able finished his at bat and the D appealed Charles is called out for missing his legal time at bat. Sounds strange I know, but thats just the way it is. 1

Duh!

Sorry that's what I get for reading this at a traffic light on my way home.

[mstaylor]

Sounds like they need to Able, Baker, Cain it, then figure out that they are wrong.