FED ejection

[th3]

There is a difference between ejecting a player (or coach) and restricting him/her to the bench, correct? If i "throw him out of the game" for arguing balls and strikes, which am i doing?

[Paperipper17]

Ejecting.

Restricting, as far as I know, is more of a penalty.

For example, if an illegal player is discovered in the game, he is called out (if on offense) and restricted to the bench for the rest of the game. If he is discovered on-field again, he is ejected.

Also, according to the FED book, if a representative other than the HC leaves the dugout or coaches' area to dispute a call, both that coach and the HC should be restricted to the dugout for the rest of the game, or, if the offense is severe enough, eject the non-HC and restrict or eject the HC.

A list is also given of offenses that could merit either one, but IMO, they all deserve an EJ; things like inciting the crowd against the officials, charging the umpire, using profanity or abusive/intimidating language, etc.

Some things listed as restrictable offenses were using a PDA or electronic device in the coaches' box or the dugout for a purpose other than scorekeeping, minor things like that. In all honesty, I'd probably warn then eject...not a big restriction fan.

Hope this helps :clap:

[th3]

it does

[semper_fi_72]

There is a difference between ejecting a player (or coach) and restricting him/her to the bench, correct? If i "throw him out of the game" for arguing balls and strikes, which am i doing?

You answered your own question.

An ejection is throwing someone out of the game.

Go write your ejection report after the game.

Recommendation - Warn and restrict before you EJ.

Your EJ report will look much better and show you tried to give them every opportunity.

[BrianC14]

You answered your own question.

An ejection is throwing someone out of the game.

Go write your ejection report after the game.

Recommendation - Warn and restrict before you EJ.

Your EJ report will look much better and show you tried to give them every opportunity.

What he said. ^^^

But bear in mind, "restriction" is an action that is only used in FED (high school) games.

You can leap-frog the restriction bit, provided the offense is egregious enough.

[mstaylor]

Just remember a player can only be restricted for being an illegal sub. I have seen guys try to restrict for other offenses instead of ejecting. If you are in Forida, you do not have an options of restricting, ejection only. I want to check on what FL does with illegal subs. I know they will not allow coaches to be restricted.

[BrianC14]

Just remember a player can only be restricted for being an illegal sub. I have seen guys try to restrict for other offenses instead of ejecting. If you are in Forida, you do not have an options of restricting, ejection only. I want to check on what FL does with illegal subs. I know they will not allow coaches to be restricted.

Really? Wow... FED rules (adopted for 2010) addressed ACs being restricted for leaving the box to argue, and then if they continue, we're to grab the HC and restrict him as well. Has Florida changed the restriction business for their state? :shakehead:

[mstaylor]

Yes, they go right to an ejection. Don't really know why. I just checked on the player question, I am waiting for an answer.

[Paperipper17]

Really? Wow... FED rules (adopted for 2010) addressed ACs being restricted for leaving the box to argue, and then if they continue, we're to grab the HC and restrict him as well. Has Florida changed the restriction business for their state?

Yes, they go right to an ejection. Don't really know why. I just checked on the player question, I am waiting for an answer.

I just came from the meeting for our Triple Crown tourney that starts tomorrow here in Jacksonville, which will be using FED rules. Now, they have slightly modified the FED rules for their purposes (most notably in run rule and number of conferences allowed), so I'm not sure how accurate this is, but we were told that we can restrict then eject, or just eject. Our assignor is about 65 or 70 and an old warhorse, so of course he says "Just toss 'em!" which in most cases I agree with. But, we were told that we could use restrictions on ACs or illegal subs. This may be because there are also Georgia and Alabama teams in the tournament, or may be because they are going by the official FED book, because obviously this isn't an FHSAA sanctioned event, but I just thought I'd throw in that . I'm using FED in Florida, and allowed to restrict.

[Don]

There is a difference between ejecting a player (or coach) and restricting him/her to the bench, correct? If i "throw him out of the game" for arguing balls and strikes, which am i doing?

Restrict vs eject is dependent on state rules. In NC 6 things will get you ejected, all the rest in the book that says eject is a restriction. Example, malicious contact is a restriction. Fighting is an ejection. Serious state implications for ejections.

[noumpere]

The distinction is put in place because some states have different penalties for "ejection" and for "restriction." It was viewed as unfair to eject a player for following his coach's order to enter the game illegally, so the illegal sub is only restricted.

Note that for a player, there's no physical difference between the two (assuming the player isn't disruptive) -- the player still takes a seat on the bench, not on the bus.

For a coach (or other adult), an ejection means moving out of sight and sound, while a restriction is just to the bench.

(And, as always in these administrative types of things, states may modify.)

[BrianC14]

Restrict vs eject is dependent on state rules. In NC 6 things will get you ejected, all the rest in the book that says eject is a restriction. Example, malicious contact is a restriction. Fighting is an ejection. Serious state implications for ejections.

Wow.

IMO, there should be 7 things that earn an ejection.

In my state, an ejection means you sit the next game. If a player is guilty of MC, there ought to be a very stringent penalty.

Example: a runner barrels over a catcher with a lowered shoulder. But it's the top of the 7th and his team is up by 4 runs. So you dutifully "restrict" him to the bench. For a grand total of three outs. And he still gets to play the next game?

That isn't right.

FED 3-3-1n is specific in the penalty for MC: ejection. Your state seems to have softened this. Substantially, IMO.

[mstaylor]

They didn't so much soften as modified. Correct me noumpire if I am wrong, but if you are ejeted from a game of any sport three times in a calender year then you sit a year from all sports.

In my state, if you get removed from a game for any reason then you sit the next. An example of the difference is a yellow/red in soccer. According to Fed if you receive a second yellow then you are given a yellow red and are done for the day but no extra game. Im my state you get the extra day because you were removed from the game. It doesn't apply to a basketball player fouling out, but it does if he T's out.

[BrianC14]

They didn't so much soften as modified. Correct me noumpire if I am wrong, but if you are ejeted from a game of any sport three times in a calender year then you sit a year from all sports.

In my state, if you get removed from a game for any reason then you sit the next. An example of the difference is a yellow/red in soccer. According to Fed if you receive a second yellow then you are given a yellow red and are done for the day but no extra game. Im my state you get the extra day because you were removed from the game. It doesn't apply to a basketball player fouling out, but it does if he T's out.

Semantics again. They've "modified" the FED rule that specifically states ejection for malicious contact. That modification, IMO, has softened the penalty. In my state, ejection means sitting out a game.

[mstaylor]

I agree that MC should be an ejection even in NC. The only difference is they take getting an ejection very seriously, hence the year off. As it was explained to me you could get an ejection in football, one in basketball and one in baseball and still earn the death penalty, it isn't sport specific.

[noumpere]

They didn't so much soften as modified. Correct me noumpire if I am wrong, but if you are ejeted from a game of any sport three times in a calender year then you sit a year from all sports.

That's a state specific issue. I'm not in MD (far, far away) so I don't know.