Un-Effin' Believable, Un-Effin' Believable....

[Majordave]

Get this. According to the story I have quoted from below and contained in the link in the original OP (in Umpire News Forum but I wanted it here to start a discussion/argument) the plate umpire called a batter out because, get this, his teammate gave him a high five after a 3 run homer.

WTF? WTF? I say again, WTF? I swear before you all that if my partner ever did that in a game I would overrule him or punch him in the face right there on the field. Un-Effin' believable. Someone please tell me or get the name of this effin stooge so we can blast him by name. What an effin' moron!

"Official Robbery: Umpire’s call ends SC’s season

By RYAN HOPE — Free Press Sports Writer

Saturday, May 23, 2009 4:06 AM PDT

LAS VEGAS — Spring Creek baseball coach Scott Gilligan could only hold back the tears so long. The final team huddle in left field is always a tough one.

The Spartans saw their season end Friday night with a 10-9 eight-inning loss to Virgin Valley in the 3A State Tournament. The loss was painful enough, but the way it happened made it all the more difficult to swallow.

Spring Creek defeated Truckee 4-1 earlier in the day to postpone elimination and had the opportunity to knock Virgin Valley — the team that defeated the Spartans in the 2008 state title game — out of the tournament as well.

The Spartans had their chances and got a big boost in the top of the eighth inning when senior Shane Irvin launched a three-run homer over the left-field fence to give Spring Creek a temporary 10-7 advantage.

The home plate umpire, however, called Irvin out at the plate because a teammate gave him a high five before he touched the base.

According to baseball and NIAA rules, the call was legit, but many questioned the need to make it at such a critical juncture of the game.

“I just don’t think you can call that at that point of the game,” Gilligan said. “That was a huge call. We still had chances after that (to win the game). Maybe we would have played a little differently defensively if we had that extra run.”

Talk about an OOO. What a freakin', effin, MF'n MORON!

Man that chaps my ass to no bounds.

Edit: I just looked up the NIAA (Nevada Interscholastic Athletics Association) Regulations from their website-nothing in there about touching a batter-runner or runner while running bases as being out.

I am pretty sure that NFHS rules do not prohibit a coach or teammate touching a batter-runner unless assisting them with running the bases.

Again, WTF? What kind of a call is this?

[Mr Umpire]

Well, if the ruling was correct, then I have no problems with the call. It is not one I would have made but is a rule nonetheless.

Now, if it is not a rule, then that is a problem. I have heard this before and it may be a myth rule but not one I have ever seen or called.

I wouldn't be so quick to jump him b/c if it is a rule, then he got it right. And, it should not matter what the situation is to when the call is made. So, if he was correct, then I do not blame him for calling the rule. I blame the ones who made the rule.

I do not understand why so many umpires/coaches/players/parents get upset when an umpire calls something correctly. Instead of getting upset at the one who got it correct, get upset at the one who did NOT KNOW THE RULES or the one who MADE THE STUPID RULE.

If the ruling is incorrect or unjustified(such as an umpire using 9.01© without any real justification or similar rule support), then I would call that umpire an OOO.

If the rule is in the rule set, then the umpire is correct in making the call and I do not view them as being an OOO just b/c I may not agree with making the call or am not willing to make that call.

Now, I am not saying the umpire got it right. I don't know if he did or not. I am saying do not get upset at him if he did get it right.:crazy:

Edited May 23, 2009 by Mr Umpire

[BrianC14]

OOO is just a start... I can think of a few other letters for that guy.... "AH", being two... "DH" being two others... :crazy:

[Majordave]

there is no specific prohibition in there against congratulating a runner while running the bases or before he touches home plate.

I also spent the last hour looking at the NFHS rules manual, umpires manual and casebook and there is no rule, opinion or case or advisory telling umpires to call the batter-runner out for this.

My analysis is it is a dead ball, there is no assistance provided and no specific prohibition against touching the batter-runner to congratulate him. This idiot got it wrong. He probably thinks the hands are part of the bat as well.

I also looked in my BRD. Nothing on it.

Maybe I can let it go now. Probably not.

[Mr Umpire]

there is no specific prohibition in there against congratulating a runner while running the bases or before he touches home plate.

I also spent the last hour looking at the NFHS rules manual, umpires manual and casebook and there is no rule, opinion or case or advisory telling umpires to call the batter-runner out for this.

My analysis is it is a dead ball, there is no assistance provided and no specific prohibition against touching the batter-runner to congratulate him. This idiot got it wrong. He probably thinks the hands are part of the bat as well.

I also looked in my BRD. Nothing on it.

Maybe I can let it go now. Probably not.

Then, leave it at "he got it wrong". But, if he got it right, then why get upset and call him an OOO.

I did not say he got it right. If there is no rule, then he was wrong. OK. We all have been and will be wrong from time to time. Even the pros get things wrong. Why become a headhunter? He screwed up. Maybe, he will be directed into the correct call next time once his assignor hears about it. But, why try to blast him on here or anywhere else for that matter?

It affected the game and that sucks. But, it is not something to get so bent out of shape over. I would have hated to be his partner. Also, if it is not a rule, then why didn't the coach do 2 things. One, request he talks to his partner. Two, protest the game since it is misapplication of the rules.

The umpire is NOT the only one to blame. The coach is as well for not doing his job. It won't get overturned if they do not do their jobs appropriately.

It takes 2 to tango and the coach did not do his part in the dance.

[mstaylor]

The umpire was completely wrong and inserted a rule myth into a state championship game. That is bad, very bad. The coach was equally wrong because he went with it. The paper was wrong because they also said it was a rule, just badly called. What you wind up with is a myth being kept alive because of poor rules knowledge.

The interesting thing would be to find out if that is really what happened. It's possible the paper screwed the story up too.

[mstaylor]

I talked to a guy that believes there may be a NIAA rule that prohibits players from coming out of the dugout on a HR. Even if they do, I can't imagine it isn't a warn and eject not an out.

[BT_Blue]

I cant believe the coach didnt get run for this. Talk about a major turn of events. If I were the I would have gone balistic.