LL Suspended game/pitching rules

[webspinnre]

We had a majors in-house playoff game tonight that ended up suspended after 3.5 innings due to darkness. I'm likely to end up having to do the plate for the resumption tomorrow night, as the one who did it tonight has to work late tomorrow. Already had a question or two about pitching rules. After review, I think what I'm seeing is:

Pitcher of record can continue to pitch, so long as they didn't throw over 20. Any other pitcher cannot re-enter and pitch, regardless of how many pitches they threw (though it would be allowed in juniors). Pitcher to catcher and catcher to pitcher rules don't apply as it's the next day. Does this sound correct overall?

[Larry in TN]

The LL pitching rules are in the Pitching section of the rule book (Section VI, I think) which is BEFORE all of the regular baseball rules, 1.00, 2.00, etc.    

It's been a number of years since my son was in Majors so I don't remember 'the numbers' for that division and don't have my rulebook with me at the moment to look it up.  Going from memory, a pitcher can continue to pitch as if the game wasn't suspended UNLESS the normal days of rest rules would prevent it.  The pitch count limits and rest days rules are to protect the player's arm, not to regulate regulate how much the team's best pitchers can pitch.  Also, the pitch-count rules are "per day" not "per game".

[stkjock]

Reg VI is correct,

 

Section K, Note 3.

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3. In suspended games resumed on another day, the pitchers of record at the time the game was halted may continue to pitch to the extent of their eligibility for that day, provided said pitcher has observed the required days of rest.

Example 1: A league age 12 pitcher delivers 70 pitches in a game on Monday when the game is suspended. The game resumes on the following Thursday. The pitcher is not eligible to pitch in the resumption of the game because he/she has not observed the required days of rest.

Example 2: A league age 12 pitcher delivers 70 pitches in a game on Monday when the game is suspended. The game resumes on Saturday. The pitcher is eligible to pitch up to 85 more pitches in the resumption of the game because he/she has observed the required days of rest.

Example 3: A league age 12 pitcher delivers 70 pitches in a game on Monday when the game is suspended. The game resumes two weeks later. The pitcher is eligible to pitch up to 85 more pitches in the resumption of the game, provided he/she is eligible based on his/her pitching record during the previous four days. Note: The use of this regulation negates the concept of the “calendar week” with regard to pitching eligibility.

 

[Larry in TN]

Thanks for posting the rule.  

This example shows the point I wanted to make regarding the purpose of the pitch limitations.

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Example 2: A league age 12 pitcher delivers 70 pitches in a game on Monday when the game is suspended. The game resumes on Saturday. The pitcher is eligible to pitch up to 85 more pitches in the resumption of the game because he/she has observed the required days of rest.

In such a situation, many coaches will believe that the pitcher would carry his pitch count from the suspended game into the resumed game for competitive reasons (i.e. limiting their best pitcher to 85 pitches for the entire game) leaving him with only 15 pitches in the resumed game.  That isn't the case.  If a pitcher is eligible to pitch on that day then he can pitch to his normal limit of 85, 95, or 105 as applicable for his league-age.

[stkjock]

you had it nailed Larry, I had the book in front of me for reference, 

[webspinnre]

Great, thanks all, that was my understanding as well. The top seed in the playoffs got dropped to the loser's bracket, and is now in danger of not even making the championship game, and I know that this will come up tonight, so wanted to make sure to get it right.

[Rich Ives]

Just remember that the limits are per day, not per game, and you'll be OK..

[stkjock]

funny thing.... last night we had Williamsport tryouts... after which the division commish takes the 3 majors managers there aside to discuss the playoffs.... 

Suspended games come up, he says that the pitch count carries over to the next game, recalling this thread, I say, I was just reviewing this topic and I don't think that is correct.

I shortly explain that limit is per day and not game, he arrogantly says "trust me I'm right", I shake my head and say i'll review it, but don't think that's accurate, he comes back with :"how much would you like to bet"..... I just walked away....

just now we get this in a email about the schedule:

 

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In the event of a suspended game due to weather the immediate questions raised are about pitching, required rest and availability.  Any accumulated rest must be adhered to.  Example:  Game is on a Thursday.  At the end of the first inning, 12-year old Ralph Kramden pitched 28 pitches and 12-year old Ed Norton pitched 14.  The skies open up and the game gets suspended due to weather.  Game gets resumed the next day (Friday) and starts at top of the 2nd inning.  Ralph Kramden is NOT eligible to pitch as he has not fulfilled his required rest of one (1) calendar day.  Ed Norton is available to pitch as he required zero (0) days rest, however his pitch count resumes at 14 for this suspended game.  Accumulated rest for Ed Norton going forward is based upon the total amount of pitches thrown by Ed Norton on the calendar day (not the total of the game which spanned two days).  Additional questions will arise regarding player attendance, etc., but I’m providing direction here on pitching as it’s always the first question on everyone’s mind.          

SMH.... 

[Jimurray]

1 hour ago, stkjock said:

funny thing.... last night we had Williamsport tryouts... after which the division commish takes the 3 majors managers there aside to discuss the playoffs.... 

Suspended games come up, he says that the pitch count carries over to the next game, recalling this thread, I say, I was just reviewing this topic and I don't think that is correct.

I shortly explain that limit is per day and not game, he arrogantly says "trust me I'm right", I shake my head and say i'll review it, but don't think that's accurate, he comes back with :"how much would you like to bet"..... I just walked away....

just now we get this in a email about the schedule:

 

SMH.... 

That's not in compliance with regular season or tournament rules which are different. In the tournament Ed and Ralph could pitch the next day, Ed with zero pitch count and Ralph with 23.

[Rich Ives]

1 hour ago, stkjock said:

funny thing.... last night we had Williamsport tryouts... after which the division commish takes the 3 majors managers there aside to discuss the playoffs.... 

Suspended games come up, he says that the pitch count carries over to the next game, recalling this thread, I say, I was just reviewing this topic and I don't think that is correct.

I shortly explain that limit is per day and not game, he arrogantly says "trust me I'm right", I shake my head and say i'll review it, but don't think that's accurate, he comes back with :"how much would you like to bet"..... I just walked away....

just now we get this in a email about the schedule:

 

SMH.... 

Tournament rules are slightly different but this is wrong twice.  Ed's count restarts from 0 because he pitched 20 or less pitches. Ralph's pitched in the  21-40 range so he could continue starting at the number he pitched yesterday. 41 or more and a pitcherr cannot pitch.

[stkjock]

53 minutes ago, Jimurray said:

That's not in compliance with regular season or tournament rules which are different. In the tournament Ed and Ralph could pitch the next day, Ed with zero pitch count and Ralph with 23.

thanks Jim - I didn't realize the rules were different, I was just thinking of regular season, he never said we were playing tournament rules for the in house playoffs. 

47 minutes ago, Rich Ives said:

Tournament rules are slightly different but this is wrong twice.  Ed's count restarts from 0 because he pitched 20 or less pitches. Ralph's pitched in the  21-40 range so he could continue starting at the number he pitched yesterday. 41 or more and a pitcherr cannot pitch.

that certainly makes things different.  reviewing the tournament rules was a eyeopener.  

Edited June 10, 2016 by stkjock
poor info