Blown call leads to pitching change fun...

[Concernedcitizen2]

http://wapc.mlb.com/play?content_id=30918583

 

Batter called out for getting hit by a batted ball "out of the box." Looks like it's a blown call.  As the OC comes out to argue, the DC makes a pitching change.

 

So I have two scenarios, both of them assume the pitching change has been registered, the pitcher on the mound goes into the dugout, the new pitcher trots in from the bullpen.

 

1. What if the umpires get together and overturn the call.  Would the old pitcher be allowed to continue pitching to the current batter?

 

2. Next year, what if the pitcher is changed, and then the OC comes out and issues a challenge and the call gets overturned?  Would the old pitcher be allowed to come back out?  Or will there be some sort of rule, like the NFL, that once a new pitcher has entered, the previous play can't be reviewed (like the NFL's rule that once a new play has started the previous play can't be reviewed).  Will this lead to DC coming out and making a quick pitching change (similar to how NFL teams try to get up to the line and snap the ball right away after a controversial call)?

 

 

[scrounge]

I don't have much beef with the call, no definitive angle and the lead foot certainly looks like it's out of the box completely. As to the challenge, I don't think the pitcher should be able to come back in, the DC should be aware of the possibility of challenge. Similarly, the pitching change isn't a baseball play per se so it shouldn't negate the challenge either.

[ricka56]

Baseball rules weren't written with the new umpire by committee approach. If umpires are using 9.02-c, then they have to "eliminate the results and consequences of the earlier call that they are reversing". So in #1 scenerio, I would say that they would have to allow F1 to return if DM wants to stick it the umpire's arse.

 

If I am right in #1, then #2 would probably follow. But I hope this possibility  (and every imaginable possibility-ha) will be covered in any 2014 rule change.

[noumpere]

Under the current rules, then the pitcher would not be allowed back in (for question number 1).

 

For number 2 no one knows and honestly I doubt if they've even given much thought to the details here.  We'll just have to wait till next year.

[ricka56]

Under the current rules, then the pitcher would not be allowed back in (for question number 1).

 

For number 2 no one knows and honestly I doubt if they've even given much thought to the details here.  We'll just have to wait till next year.

So if DM wanted to further embarass the umpires and argue that they created the erroneous sitch that caused him to change F1. And that 9.02-c requires the umpire to eliminate this consequence, what over-riding/convincing rule/interp would you use ?

 

I'd like to tell him to go suck an egg, and that I didn't make him change F1. But that'd be my best argument  and I'd have to take my chances with a protest committee.

[Rich Ives]

_{http://wapc.mlb.com/play?content_id=30918583}

 

_{Batter called out for getting hit by a batted ball "out of the box." Looks like it's a blown call.  As the OC comes out to argue, the DC makes a pitching change.}

 

_{So I have two scenarios, both of them assume the pitching change has been registered, the pitcher on the mound goes into the dugout, the new pitcher trots in from the bullpen.}

 

_{1. What if the umpires get together and overturn the call.  Would the old pitcher be allowed to continue pitching to the current batter?}

 

_{2. Next year, what if the pitcher is changed, and then the OC comes out and issues a challenge and the call gets overturned?  Would the old pitcher be allowed to come back out?  Or will there be some sort of rule, like the NFL, that once a new pitcher has entered, the previous play can't be reviewed (like the NFL's rule that once a new play has started the previous play can't be reviewed).  Will this lead to DC coming out and making a quick pitching change (similar to how NFL teams try to get up to the line and snap the ball right away after a controversial call)?}

 

_{It's only foul if the batter is in a legal position in the box when hit.  He isn't, so he's out.}