Ineligble Player

[Dennis Bingham]

We all know that an umpire does not drawn attention to an improper batter batting out of order. That is the responsibility of the opposing team to make an appeal. However, what if an umpire discovers an ineligible (illegal) player playing defense or running out to pinch-run? By ineligible, it is meant that the player should not even be in the game (removed from game earlier, ejected, etc.) Does the umpire immediately remove the illegal player immediately upon discovery or does he wait until the opposing team appeals the use of the player?

[semper_fi_72]

We all know that an umpire does not drawn attention to an improper batter batting out of order. That is the responsibility of the opposing team to make an appeal. However, what if an umpire discovers an ineligible (illegal) player playing defense or running out to pinch-run? By ineligible, it is meant that the player should not even be in the game (removed from game earlier, ejected, etc.) Does the umpire immediately remove the illegal player immediately upon discovery or does he wait until the opposing team appeals the use of the player?

How are the players entering the game if the coach is not advising you of the changes?

You have line up cards!!!!!

Coach A announces changes to you and you advise Coach B of the changes.

Coach A comes out, I am putting #24 Johnny Smith in RF"

Umpire...No your not coach, he was pulled/EJ from the game. He is not eligible to re-enter.

These changes are done while we have called "TIME" correct?

These are areas you have to control, so take control and do not let it happen and handle it immediately.

[BrianC14]

How are the players entering the game if the coach is not advising you of the changes? You have line up cards!!!!!

Those sneaky bastiges...

Coach A announces changes to you and you advise Coach B of the changes.

Coach A comes out, I am putting #24 Johnny Smith in RF"

Umpire...No your not coach, he was pulled/EJ from the game. He is not eligible to re-enter.

These changes are done while we have called "TIME" correct?

These are areas you have to control, so take control and do not let it happen and handle it immediately.

[BrianC14]

We all know that an umpire does not drawn attention to an improper batter batting out of order. That is the responsibility of the opposing team to make an appeal. However, what if an umpire discovers an ineligible (illegal) player playing defense or running out to pinch-run? By ineligible, it is meant that the player should not even be in the game (removed from game earlier, ejected, etc.) Does the umpire immediately remove the illegal player immediately upon discovery or does he wait until the opposing team appeals the use of the player?

Dennis:

The quick answer is: Yes, as an umpire, you can immediately remove an illegal player/substitute upon discovery. No need to wait for the other team to notice it.

[mstaylor]

How are the players entering the game if the coach is not advising you of the changes?

You have line up cards!!!!!

Coach A announces changes to you and you advise Coach B of the changes.

Coach A comes out, I am putting #24 Johnny Smith in RF"

Umpire...No your not coach, he was pulled/EJ from the game. He is not eligible to re-enter.

These changes are done while we have called "TIME" correct?

These are areas you have to control, so take control and do not let it happen and handle it immediately.

It's called an unannounced sub. The manager sends him in the field at the beginning of the inning and forgets to tell you. Being an UA sub is not illegal bt if he is also an ineligible sub then you have a problem.

[Umpire in Chief]

Welcome Dennis!

If I have absolute proof a player is ineligible I wouldn't allow him in the game. But in most instances as the umpire I will not know if somebody is ineligible. If it were brought to my attention, and I even have a shadow of a doubt, I'd continue to play and allow him to play and let the administrators sort it out later.