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NFHS CB2.28.3C Comment provides info on time of pitch. (I'm working my way up to cut n' paste, but I'm not there yet. Perhaps someone smarter than me could do it.) If you judged he was in contact and started his windup motion to pitch and didn't pitch: balk. If not, nada.

When there is a delay in the playing action, the cameras turn to see what it is. Director: The plate guy is walking towards the hill. What's up? Camera One, get on him! One: Got 'em. Director: Two, see if you can get in close. Is he checking the baseball? Two: Trying. Director: One, can you make out what he's doing? One: They're both wincing. Director: Three, shoot the dugout. What's up? Three: Got it. Director: Color Man wants a shot of the plate. One, go to the plate. One: Going. Director: Two, why are they kicking the rosin bag? Two: How would I know. Ya' wanna shot of the rosin bag? Director: One, find out why Color wants the plate? One: I got nothing. He's waiting for the umpire. Director: Three, find something else in the dugout. Three: There ain't anyting else. Director: One get on the umpire. One: Got him. Director: Color said we spoiled his line. Two, get on Color. Two: Do you want the rosin bag or Color? Director: There's not that much difference.

I readily admit that writing is a second language for me. That line above may come across as something completely different than intended. Please don't think that I like to see catchers hit BY a baseball. It should read, "...I do like to see catchers, when at bat, hit the ball."

Jacksonville looks warm and wet on the national map...both envious conditions (and I'm talking about baseball!) NW Ohio is cold and colder until the inevitably spring thaw. Then it will become cold and muddier. This area is not particularly baseball-friendly in the spring. Some even agree that around here for those interested in replacing baseball as a springtime, extra-curricular activity, NFHS/OHSAA could incorporate walleye fishing as a competitive sport.

It's admirable to coach your catchers to establish a harmony among the only two on the field facing the same way as the batter. And, as said above, no, umpires don't have a "standard protocol" just as catchers don't have one. But, most umpires and most catchers, particularly shaving-aged ones with whom I've worked, do "take care" of each other when either get plunked. But, if the catcher were truly suffering as in the OP, a team is permitted to request time to check on suspected injuries. It may even get the adults on the field in closer proximity to "discuss" perceived "standard procedures" as adults. And, since this thread has begun drifting in that direction, I do like to see catchers hit. Most work as hard or harder than others on their team, so, to the best of my ability on any given day, I'm not going to strike a pitch when a catcher is beside the plate if that same pitch doesn't get called a strike when that catcher is behind the plate. Beside, we all know that catchers make the best umpires and I'm forever recruiting, particularly if he's about my size.

-4 last night; 50 next Wednesday...if nothing changes. Weather forecasters and baseball umpires are polar opposites: one can't tell you accurately what WILL happen; the other, accurately what DID happen.

The crew, U3 specifically, was told that it "must be aware of who the 'outfielders' are on this play. Even though he was parked in the 'infield,' he was not considered an infielder. Therefore NOTHING should be called." [his emphasis] Hypothetically, U3 couldn't just sit there and allow this "dressing down" on such a blatantly false premise without responding, whether permitted or not. Even with the full knowledge that the crew would be together, eating, sleeping and working for the whole weekend, U3 waited until the air had left the chief's sails, stood up, looked him straight in the eye and unequivocally yet softly said, "Yes, sir."

Agree w/ maven, this is abandonment. Abandonment it's appealed and it is a Time Play Abandonment may be a time play, but is it an appeal?

U3 thought so. Did U3 shoot his right arm up (they never hear the verbal so I don't care if you verbalized)? Hopefully the catch was made and nothing ensued and you said yessir, yessir at the post brief to your CC. He will be found out sooner or later when he kicks something really big. Big dogs are not there for rules knowledge. U3 signaled and called the infield fly. F8 made a routine catch.

Just another example of how important timing is in umpiring. Fast calls, fast food, et. al.; nothing but trouble for umpires.

Some day I'll master the cut n' paste, but first I must work on deciphering the inner workings of volume control.

This is what I wrote. It should have read, "...and pretty sure the BR was not [past 1B]." I contributed to the confusion by not wording exactly what I had pictured in my head. So, then, it does matter who (F5 or F6 in the outfield or F8) pulled that muddy ball up from the soft turf and threw it?

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How do you cut 'n paste?

OBR and NFHS (NCAA, too, but I no longer do that game intentionally) rules, I'm sure you know they read: 1st play by an infielder, 2 from TOP; by an outfielder, 2 from TOT. Why do you and MPLSUMP say it doesn't matter? Because in this case, regardless of the defensive player's position, we're putting B/R at 2B and scoring R2. At least that's my take, I don't want to speak for @MPLSUMP The rules support that call if the throw were from an outfielder. But, if it were the 1st play (throw to retire a runner) by an infielder, then at the TOP we had R1 and the BR and they would get 3B and 2B, respectively. Is there something out there that interprets this differently?

I say NFHS 2-28-2.

OBR and NFHS (NCAA, too, but I no longer do that game intentionally) rules, I'm sure you know they read: 1st play by an infielder, 2 from TOP; by an outfielder, 2 from TOT. Why do you and MPLSUMP say it doesn't matter?

Depends on if it was in infielder or outfielder. In this case, the award would be the same though regardless of position. R2 would score, BR depending on his status at the Time of Throw. It could be 3B if he acquired 1B at the time of throw. It could be 2B or 3B. I specifically structured the situation so that R2 was between 2B and 3B and the BR was short of 1B at the TOT. So, BOTH hadn't advanced at least one base at the TOT. If they BOTH had advanced one base, then the award would be 2 from the TOT regardless if an infielder or outfielder threw it. But, because they BOTH had not advanced one base, then does it really matter who threw the ball from the outfield? I'm thinking it does, but then again, maybe not. I gotta say, after a few deca...years calling this game, I haven't paid all that close attention.

It's an esoteric exercise. Let's say R1 had prior experience with these fielders and intuitively knew they weren't going to handle the trouble fly ball. He busted for 2d, saw or sensed the fly ball plop to the ground and continued on while the perps sorted it out.

I don't have a problem with the fielder turning his back to get where he needs to be to set up for the catch, but he should be facing the infield when he's ready to catch the fly ball to demonstrate "ordinary effort." Willie Mays-ing the catch over his shoulder would demonstrate to me extraordinary effort and not get the call, even if he were in the infield dirt.

Correctomungo. Thanks for playing and, more importantly, thanks for confirming that my mask is still working.

U3 thought so.

This is what I wrote. It should have read, "...and pretty sure the BR was not [past 1B]."

He said, "NO CATCH! NO CATCH!" In our hypothetical pre-gamed, we agreed that any apparent trouble ball (several fielders converging) in his fly ball coverage area (the V when in B or C) would warrant a catch/no catch call to make sure all the runners, coaches and me, in particular, knew what he ruled.

It's cold and muddy, and the concession stand is closed. It's a non-league opener and you're still trying to get into a groove after four innings behind the plate. Yet another walk puts B8 on 1B with no outs. B9 steps in and lifts the first pitch high behind 2B. (Why not?) F4, F6, both playing back (because their coach is also cold and muddy) along with F8, all converge on the towering fly ball and call for the catch. Naturally, in my games, at the last second, they all give up and the ball plops down in the soft turf untouched. You're drifting up the 3B line as R1 comes racing around 2B (his coach is cold and muddy, too.) Your partner screams, "NO CATCH! NO CATCH!" You're tdrying to be helpful, so you give a quick glance to see the BR touch 1B. When your eyes come back to the antics in short RF, you see the muddy ball heading towards F5 in an attempt to make what will be a close play on R1 at 3B. You step into fair territory at the cutout, but the ball sails right on by F5 and into the 3B dugout. You shut it down. You're sure R1 was well past 2B at the TOT, and pretty sure the BR was not. But, you're not at all sure who exactly made the throw. Does it matter? Who gets what?