Appeal Question

[Ump61]

Good day folks

New guy here with another rules question

Again, it's OBR....

Runner at 1st. 2 outs. Count: 1-2.

Clean-up hitter up at bat. R1 breaks on the pitch as the batter attempts to check his swing. The catcher throws and retires R1 at second for the out. After the play, the defense asks the plate umpire to get help on the check swing because they would rather not have the 4th hitter lead off the next inning. The umpire disregards the request because the advantageous 4th out is not allowed in this situation.

So my questions in determining if this is true or not are these. Is the throw down to retire the runner considered a play? Does that play negate the check swing appeal or is this some sort of continuous action that still allows the defence to appeal the check swing? Again we are dealing with OBR here

Once again all replys appreciated

[Mr Umpire]

The attempted play at 2B does not negate any appeal attempt. It is during continuous play. Nothing precludes the defense from asking on the check swing. In fact, the rules say the PU has to ask for an appeal. And, to me, this is a matter of determining which happened first, not which one will give the advantage.

I see no reason to deny the appeal b/c it does not fall under the advantageous 4th out scenario. The appeal should have been granted by all rules I have seen and none of them say to deny it. Denying it may be giving the offense an advantage rather than calling the game as it happened.

Appeal should have been granted unless someone can come up with a ruling to contradict this.

[noumpere]

The attempted play at 2B does not negate any appeal attempt. It is during continuous play. Nothing precludes the defense from asking on the check swing. In fact, the rules say the PU has to ask for an appeal. And, to me, this is a matter of determining which happened first, not which one will give the advantage.

I see no reason to deny the appeal b/c it does not fall under the advantageous 4th out scenario. The appeal should have been granted by all rules I have seen and none of them say to deny it. Denying it may be giving the offense an advantage rather than calling the game as it happened.

Appeal should have been granted unless someone can come up with a ruling to contradict this.

This isnt really even an appeal. Appeals are only for itlems like missing a base or leaving early on a fly ball. Ask your partner and take the out if the batter swang.

[carolinablue]

+1