Several Situations

[TommyUmp]

OK. JV/Varsity ball. All are FED rules.

Sit 1.

R1 on first, one out, fly to F9. R1 goes half way. Catch is made and appeal throw to first travels out of play.

1. The award is two bases, but does the re-tagging of 1st count as a bag?

2. What if in the live appeal process the runner doesn't retag first, and just walks to 2nd after the ball goes dead and my instruction of "runner, 2nd base"? Just bang him on an appeal (if it happens)? I guess what I'm asking is: should I instruct the runner to a specific bag, or just say "runner, two bases" and leave it up to him what he wants to do with them?

Sit 2.

R1 on first, no out. I'm in B. Pitcher steps off prior to his pick-off to first, making him eligible to fake and thus an infielder. Throw dribbles into dead ball territory. R1 goes to third, correct? I keep second guessing myself on this since when I played the umpires never enforced it (it feels like I'm making things up).

Thanks,

Tommy

[Rich Ives]

OK. JV/Varsity ball. All are FED rules.

Sit 1.

R1 on first, one out, fly to F9. R1 goes half way. Catch is made and appeal throw to first travels out of play.

1. The award is two bases, but does the re-tagging of 1st count as a bag?

2. What if in the live appeal process the runner doesn't retag first, and just walks to 2nd after the ball goes dead and my instruction of "runner, 2nd base"? Just bang him on an appeal (if it happens)? I guess what I'm asking is: should I instruct the runner to a specific bag, or just say "runner, two bases" and leave it up to him what he wants to do with them?

Sit 2.

R1 on first, no out. I'm in B. Pitcher steps off prior to his pick-off to first, making him eligible to fake and thus an infielder. Throw dribbles into dead ball territory. R1 goes to third, correct? I keep second guessing myself on this since when I played the umpires never enforced it (it feels like I'm making things up).

Thanks,

Tommy

Sit 1 - the award is 3B - 2 bases from where he was at the time of the throw. He has to re-tag 1B. If he doesn't he can be out on appeal. At the time of the award you should tell him where - "You - third base". It's up to him to know he has to retag 1B. And 3B is still 2 bases from 1B so that's where he goes.

Sit 2 - yes - 3B.

[TommyUmp]

Thanks Rich!

[sdix00]

Tommy -

The excerpt below is from the excellent 8 weeks rules course offered by Warren Workman and Pete Reiser from this site. They offered the course during the Fall last year. This is part of a larger article on overthrows, but if you can remember these THREE simple questions, you will award bases correctly for overthrows in EVERY situation.

Honey, I shrunk the rule

By: Blaine Gallant

In the OBR, 7.05 deals with awarding bases. That rule covers everything from home runs and

other four-base awards to wild pitches. It requires two pages of text and is very confusing ——

as is virtually every part of the OBR book.

Well, I borrowed the shrinking machine from Rick Moranis and shrunk it down into three

questions. If you answer those questions, I guarantee you will never get an overthrow award

wrong. I have tried this method with brand new umpires, my wife, and even coaches. They all

get the answers right. If they can understand it, my system must work!

Was the pitcher on the rubber?

Was the throw the first play by an infielder?

Had every runner already made a base?

The first question determines how many bases to award. If the pitcher is on the rubber, whether

he delivers a pitch to the plate or on a pick-off attempt, the award is one base. In all other

situations the umpire awards two bases.

The second and third determine from which point the award is made. If the dead ball resulted

from the first play by an infielder, the award is determined by the location of the runners at the

time of the pitch (where were the runners when the pitcher began his delivery?).

UNLESS:

If everybody has already made one base, you don't care whether the dead ball resulted from the

first play by an infielder. The award is always measured from the time of the throw, that is,

where were the runners when the ball left the thrower's hand?

[Thunderheads]

Tommy -

The excerpt below is from the excellent 8 weeks rules course offered by Warren Workman and Pete Reiser from this site. They offered the course during the Fall last year. This is part of a larger article on overthrows, but if you can remember these THREE simple questions, you will award bases correctly for overthrows in EVERY situation.

Honey, I shrunk the rule

By: Blaine Gallant

In the OBR, 7.05 deals with awarding bases. That rule covers everything from home runs and

other four-base awards to wild pitches. It requires two pages of text and is very confusing ——

as is virtually every part of the OBR book.

Well, I borrowed the shrinking machine from Rick Moranis and shrunk it down into three

questions. If you answer those questions, I guarantee you will never get an overthrow award

wrong. I have tried this method with brand new umpires, my wife, and even coaches. They all

get the answers right. If they can understand it, my system must work!

Was the pitcher on the rubber?

Was the throw the first play by an infielder?

Had every runner already made a base?

The first question determines how many bases to award. If the pitcher is on the rubber, whether

he delivers a pitch to the plate or on a pick-off attempt, the award is one base. In all other

situations the umpire awards two bases.

The second and third determine from which point the award is made. If the dead ball resulted

from the first play by an infielder, the award is determined by the location of the runners at the

time of the pitch (where were the runners when the pitcher began his delivery?).

UNLESS:

If everybody has already made one base, you don't care whether the dead ball resulted from the

first play by an infielder. The award is always measured from the time of the throw, that is,

where were the runners when the ball left the thrower's hand?

Thanks for this ..... nice breakdown ....however, ...I do have a question .....

Does question 2 apply to an outfielder as well ? For example, shot in to right field, ... F9 tries to get B1 out at first, but airmails one into the dugout ..... it's the first play, but it's not an infielder? I say it's still TOP, yes?

[sdix00]

Tommy -

The excerpt below is from the excellent 8 weeks rules course offered by Warren Workman and Pete Reiser from this site. They offered the course during the Fall last year. This is part of a larger article on overthrows, but if you can remember these THREE simple questions, you will award bases correctly for overthrows in EVERY situation.

Honey, I shrunk the rule

By: Blaine Gallant

In the OBR, 7.05 deals with awarding bases. That rule covers everything from home runs and

other four-base awards to wild pitches. It requires two pages of text and is very confusing ——

as is virtually every part of the OBR book.

Well, I borrowed the shrinking machine from Rick Moranis and shrunk it down into three

questions. If you answer those questions, I guarantee you will never get an overthrow award

wrong. I have tried this method with brand new umpires, my wife, and even coaches. They all

get the answers right. If they can understand it, my system must work!

Was the pitcher on the rubber?

Was the throw the first play by an infielder?

Had every runner already made a base?

The first question determines how many bases to award. If the pitcher is on the rubber, whether

he delivers a pitch to the plate or on a pick-off attempt, the award is one base. In all other

situations the umpire awards two bases.

The second and third determine from which point the award is made. If the dead ball resulted

from the first play by an infielder, the award is determined by the location of the runners at the

time of the pitch (where were the runners when the pitcher began his delivery?).

UNLESS:

If everybody has already made one base, you don't care whether the dead ball resulted from the

first play by an infielder. The award is always measured from the time of the throw, that is,

where were the runners when the ball left the thrower's hand?

Thanks for this ..... nice breakdown ....however, ...I do have a question .....

Does question 2 apply to an outfielder as well ? For example, shot in to right field, ... F9 tries to get B1 out at first, but airmails one into the dugout ..... it's the first play, but it's not an infielder? I say it's still TOP, yes?

Nope. First play by an infielder means exactly that. If F9 gloves a batted ball then throws OOP, the award is 2 bases from TOT.

[Thunderheads]

Thanks for this ..... nice breakdown ....however, ...I do have a question .....

Does question 2 apply to an outfielder as well ? For example, shot in to right field, ... F9 tries to get B1 out at first, but airmails one into the dugout ..... it's the first play, but it's not an infielder? I say it's still TOP, yes?

Nope. First play by an infielder means exactly that. If F9 gloves a batted ball then throws OOP, the award is 2 bases from TOT.

Thank you sir!