Usssa rain out seeding

[Guest Mw]

Rule question- say there is a 12 team tournament, team A loses both pool play games and seeds near the bottom, then plays through the bracket to the final four before the tournament is rained out. What place do they finish? Is there a usssa rule that defines this?

[blue23ll]

I'm not sure you will get an answer to this on an umpires board, I don't think.

[slo8140]

Sounds more like a Tournament Director question to me. I am glad we don't have to mess with this stuff...just call the games.

[mjr_2013]

Please see tournament-director-empire.com

 

In terms of USSSA, I think you'd have to contact them... There is no "baseball" rule on this, so we probably won't know... There may be a bylaw, but if there is, I'd be surprised if someone here knows it.

[bleacher_bum]

USSSA, Nations, and most other organizations have their own means to figure into these situations.  There is definitely no rule that an umpire has anything to do with, but it may be found in the USSSA rules and by-laws book. 

This is straight out of USSSA rules and by-laws:

 

4.10 Pool Play / Tie Breaker Criteria: Once advanced to the next tie breaker criteria; do not return to a previous criteria. 

   1) Winning Percentage – Descending 

   2) Number Wins – Descending 

   3) Number Loses – Ascending 

   4) Tied Teams (vs. each other) Winning Pct – Descending (more than 2 teams tied, skip this tie breaker) 

   5) Avg Points Allowed – Ascending 

   6) Avg Run Differential with a maximum of (8) – Descending 

   7) USSSA Points – Descending 

   8) Date Team Entered USSSA Database 

 ï‚· Once advanced past one tie breaker, you don’t go back to a previous tie breaker. 

 

This may not totally answer your question, but this is what type of criteria most tournament directors would use in cases like this.

[Platejob29]

I may be able to provide some sort of vague answer for you but it's hard to give a straight forward answer because it can very from tournament to tournament depending on local tournament bylaws as well as from state to state. USSSA rules can very slightly for each state but I don't know if the tournament results due to a rainout change state by state as I'm only familiar with what USSSA Texas state rules. At the local complex that I'm a TD at we would take the teams that are left in the bracket at the time of the rainout and then their pool play seeding to determine a winner, runner up, so on and so forth. For example if there were 4 teams left at the time of the rainout with the fallowing seeds of 2, 1, 12, 7 the results would be the 1 seed wins, 2 seed finishes 2nd, 7 seed finishes 3rd, and the 12 seed finishes 4th. Then of course you would have to back track the bracket to determine all the other teams finishing place. Unless your tournament had different local rules than that should be how it's done. The only time that local bylaws and rules can not apply unless for safety purposes are in a state, regional, national, or super NIT tournament. Hope this helps a bit.