Pushed to far...

[James Walker]

14u championship game. I'm U3. Visting manager isn't thrilled with the PU's strike zone (to be fair, it was a little low, but extremely consistant all game). PU is a pretty good guy, lots of experience, but I think he's scared to pi$$ someone off by dumpin' a coach. One question before I get to the good part... How much crap do you allow an experienced partner to take before you step in and take care of the problem?

R1, 1 out. Balls hit down the line to RF and U1 goes out. I pass R1 off to PU after he passes second and take the BR. Easy double, but this kid tries to stretch it to a 3 bagger. By now, the balls been thrown in trying to get the runner at the plate. Catcher throws a strike to the third baseman and I've got tag before feet hit the bag, but its close so I come up big and sell the out. As I'm going back to D, visting manager starts in on me...

Coach: C'Mon blue, no way, he beat it.

Me: Coach, the tag beat him he's out.

Coach: Can you get help?

Me: No coach, I'm 100% on this. Tag beat him, he's out. Let's play....

Coach: That's crap, he safe. We both know it!

While this was happening, U1 was making his way over there to help me out.

Me: Coach, that's enough.

Coach: No!!! I can say whatever I want, he was safe and you know it!!

Me: Coach, your done.

Coach: What does that mean?

U1: Means its time to go coach...

I probably give a lot more leash than I sometimes should, but I have a limit, and this guy pushed to far.

[mjr_2013]

I thought your EJ timing was fine, I'd just try to say less than you did.

[Les-Aussie-Ump]

He told you twice your judgement call was wrong ! And twice that you know it.

Would have sent him after his first you know it!

You showed plenty of patience. Sometime you work with guys who have experience but hate the whole EJ scenario, you help him when needed good crew work.

[Mike Prince]

I don't think you said too much, you gave him a warning and he kept going. If he was yelling then maybe you could have been a bit quicker, but if this is conversational then I think the EJ is pretty textbook.

As far as getting involved in your partner's argument, only if he signals for it or needs you to play rodeo clown post-EJ.

[James Walker]

With this guy, it wasn't a matter of "if" but "when" he'd get tossed. Couple games before he asked about a call that was made the game before. Honestly, he was a good coach. He just didn't have an off switch for stupid.

Coach wasn't arguing with the PU, he was complaining about the zone, all game. Also, he threw in a few don't have any make up calls. It really rubbed me the wrong way, but since he's supposed to be the " high and mighty, best of the best" guy, I wasn't going to step in and do his job. The guy even brought out a rule book on him ( I didn't see it, but U1 told me about it post game) and didn't take care of it. I understand we all have different levels of patience with coaches, but that's an auto ej all day. If it was a young or inexperienced guy, I would've stepped in. But, I'm not gonna clean someone else's mess up when they supposedly know what they are doing.

[Stan W.]

I've seen some vets take way more than what i would, but when its theIr mess, I let them clean it up......the only exception being if they didnt see it......I once ejected a coach for using this  hand motion   behind my partners back.........

 

I WOULD HOWEVER MENTION IT TO MY PARTNER IN OUR POST GAME...............remember what we allow we endorse.......if you let them treat you poorly they think they can do that to everyone....dont pass on a problem child to your association mates....

[James Walker]

I've seen some vets take way more than what i would, but when its theIr mess, I let them clean it up......the only exception being if they didnt see it......I once ejected a coach for using this hand motion behind my partners back.........

I WOULD HOWEVER MENTION IT TO MY PARTNER IN OUR POST GAME...............remember what we allow we endorse.......if you let them treat you poorly they think they can do that to everyone....dont pass on a problem child to your association mates....

I would have got with him on it after the game, except he left as soon as the game was over. He's not part of our association, but he is a trainer. After reading your post in the "s" word, he's a guy that goes along to get along. He advocates explaining calls to fans , always go for help if asked , and apparently allows the inmates to run the asylum ... The only thing he said to me when we all came in after the 5th was that was a bad ej, made us all look bad :.

[Stan W.]

yup, seems every association has one of those "go along to get along guys"...........they think we are being harsh and I think they are being doormats.....

[James Walker]

I'd say he's more like toilet paper...