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[benrosen]

True or False OBR:

 

The five ways to have a ‘play’ are: balk, rundown, pitch, tag or tag attempt of a base in attempt to retire a runner, and tag or tag attempt of a runner.

 

Sorry if it seems like I am spamming the forum.

[Rich Ives]

A play is a legitimate attempt to retire a runner.

 

Per the MLBUM:

 

"A play or attempted play is interpreted as a legitimate effort by a defensive player who has
possession of the ball to actually retire a runner. This may include an actual attempt to tag a
runner, a fielder running toward a base with the ball in an attempt to force or tag a runner, or
actually throwing to another defensive player in an attempt to retire a runner. (The fact that the
runner is not out is not relevant.) A fake or a feint to throw shall not be deemed a play or an
attempted play."

 

 

In addition, 7.10 says  "If a pitcher balks when making an appeal, such act shall be a play."

[UmpJM]

ben,

 

This question has no meaning.

 

JM

[benrosen]

ben,

 

This question has no meaning.

 

JM

 

It is a question on my umpire exam

[UmpJM]

ben,

 

Sorry to hear that.

 

It still has no meaning.

 

But, were I compelled to answer, I would say "FALSE".

 

JM

[UmpJM]

ump_24,

 

Your source for your assertion?

 

I would suggest that most balks are NOT "plays" in any meaningful sense of the word.

 

(I know a balk on an appeal attempt is considered a "play" for the purpose of denying a subsequent appeal.)

 

JM

[bam]

ben,

 

Sorry to hear that.

No kidding.  What kind of lunatic puts that on an exam?  NCAA, maybe. 

 

And what level of ball are you doing to justify these kinds of questions? 

[Rich Ives]

ump_24,

 

Your source for your assertion?

 

I would suggest that most balks are NOT "plays" in any meaningful sense of the word.

 

(I know a balk on an appeal attempt is considered a "play" for the purpose of denying a subsequent appeal.)

 

JM

 

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Baseball Canada Umpires Committee

Rule Interpretations / Case Studies

 

6) Plays / Attempted Plays

Interpretation: A play or an attempted play shall be considered as one of the five following situations:

 Tag or attempted tag of a runner

 Tag or attempted tag of a base

 Throw from another fielder in an attempt to get an out

 Rundown

 Balk

 

Gleaned directly from the J/R.

 

The background context of the question is typically trying to educate guys what actions by the defensive team will constitute a lost right to appeal.

 

 

 

Try gleaning from the MLBUM - it trumps the J/R because it is the official interpretations from the owners of the OBR.

[Rich Ives]

Unless you're taking an exam governed by Baseball Canada.

My J/R serves as a paperweight, but that didn't stop us from taking this interpretation right from it.

 

Then I'd start a campaign with Baseball Canada to use the official interpretations.

[Rich Ives]

 

Unless you're taking an exam governed by Baseball Canada.

My J/R serves as a paperweight, but that didn't stop us from taking this interpretation right from it.

 

Then I'd start a campaign with Baseball Canada to use the official interpretations.

 

That'd only be necessary if the interpretation in place was contrary to what is official. 

 

The first 3 are the same as what's in the MLBUM. We just put it in point form instead of paragraph form. A balk is a play for the purpose of making an appeal. So that's 4/4. Calling a rundown a play is the same as saying on an exam "both A (tag / attempted tag) and C (throw to another fielder) are correct". It's a generalized simplification that they gave its own category to. 

 

There are many instances where I think B-Can and the OBA need to stop trying to re-invent the wheel. This is one I have no problem with, as it is just simplifying what already exists. 

 

The only revision necessary for this interpretation is specifying that a balk 'counts' as a play only when making an appeal. Otherwise, I challenge you to provide a situation where using the B-Can interp would cause a contrary ruling than to what the MLBUM would.

 

So you need a revision. Because it's incorrect as currently written. Therefore "false". Said so yourself.

 

As long as you are revising it, use the MLBUM definitions.