Deadball Appeal

[soapbox]

As I understand it, a runner who tags up cannot return to a previously occupied base if the ball becomes dead. If an appeal is made, that runner is put out. Now, lets say that R2 leaves early and is standing on 3B. The ball was a hit to F9 in foul territory, sees R2 on 3B, hears the coach instructing player to return to 2B, but now decides to step into deadball territory. Following some sort of progression, what's the call. Let's assume intentional and then unintentional.

[jnazz]

JR Appeals pg.72

Once a the ball is caught, a runner is vulnerable to a retouch appeal if

(2) he has failed to retouch, the ball becomes dead and he proceeds to touch or pass an advance base.

EG: R1, one out. R1, thinking there are two outs, continues running past second base as the batter's fly ball goes toward the right fielder. The right fielder catches the ball for the second out and throws toward first for an appeal of R1's failure to retouch. R1 is standing between second and third when the right fielder's throw goes out of play: if R1 does not proceed to touch third base after the ball has become dead, he can return to touch first base, second base and third base accepting his award.

So in your situation, as long as R2 (now on third) doesn't proceed to touch home plate (after the ball went out of play), he may return to touch 2nd eventhough the ball is dead.

If he intentionally enters DBT - 2 base award @ TOT (time of entering DBT)

No intent (momentum takes him into DBT) - nothing as long as he doesn't fall

[Guest]

As I understand it, a runner who tags up cannot return to a previously occupied base if the ball becomes dead. If an appeal is made, that runner is put out. Now, lets say that R2 leaves early and is standing on 3B. The ball was a hit to F9 in foul territory, sees R2 on 3B, hears the coach instructing player to return to 2B, but now decides to step into deadball territory. Following some sort of progression, what's the call. Let's assume intentional and then unintentional.

We're gonna need more info here.

I'm presuming you mean there is a foul fly ball that is caught and that in his attempt to tag, R2 leaves early.

Are you then suggesting that, for the purpose of creating a scenario for answers, that 1) F9's momentum inadvertently takes him out of play with the ball and then 2) F9 is aware of everything that's going on and subsequently takes the ball out of play with intent to do so?

And which rule set you want the ruling for would be a good idea as well.

Hook us the answers to those, so we can all get on the same page and sort this out without confusion.

[mstaylor]

I didn't entirely follow your question, but I will try to clear it up. In OBR, you cannot touch another base after the ball has gone dead. Say you had a runner advancing from first to second, before the ball has gone out of play R1 is on or by second and realizes he must retouch. As long as R1 doesn't touch another base passed where he was when the ball went dead then he is OK. In Fed, if you are passed second when the ball goes out of play you can't retreat for any reason.

[soapbox]

Fed Rules: R2 tags, now on 3B. On a deadball appeal, once R2 occupies 3B, R2 cannot return to 2B. Ok, the ball is dead. But what if the ball is dead because F9 deliberately carried the ball into DBT. Why couldn't R2 return if the defense is at fault. Or have I totally botched what I read. To be fair, I only read over it twice and was tired and left my book at home, but was in the mood to talk softball watching all that snow in the northeast and knowing all I can do is discuss since the snow should be here until August.