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The coach probably doesn't know the rule, but you do. True, but don't worry he wasn't even close on the 3-0 pitch. :| So you ignore the illegal pitch because "YOU KNOW" the next pitch will not be close. :smachhead:

The coach probably doesn't know the rule, but you do. :no:

The difference is that rule clearly states it covers balls that are thrown but do not cross the line. In Rolando's situation, the pitcher never threw the ball. I'm with scrounge -- it's an illegal pitch. Add a ball to the count. How is it illegal pitch. It was never pitched. We went with what Umptts said Sorry for bringing this back up, but you have an illegal pitch (with no pitch) if the pitcher goes to his mouth on the pitchers plate with no runners.

That's all I get on my Droid.

Hey Guys, Do you let him enter the game and if on offense immediately call him out and restrict to the dugout for the remainder of the game or if on defense just restrict. Rule 3-1-1 para below penalty. No way can you let him enter the game unless the coach insists after you tell him he can't. Don't laugh, a few years ago I had a coach ask me if a player was out because he slid head first into home plate. (Yes it was HS)

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Maybe you should become a coach. If not, get off the field after the game is over. You should not be standing around waiting for a pat on the back for explaining to the coach what he should have done during the game. The way I see it is if you want to umpire then umpire, if you want to coach then sell/donate your umpire equipment and become a coach. It sounds like you could win the championship every year. Trust me, Loyd, I'm not waiting for any post game slaps on the back, But neither am I heading for the hills after the game. No need, in my park. (I do get off the field after the last out, just to put protests to bed). Luckily, we've developed a culture at our local league where it's not an "us vs. them" situation, with managers/coaches and umpires. Usually after a game, and after I've changed, I'm raking the fields with the coaches, or helping close up the facility. I mean in the end, it's just little kids playing baseball, Nobody around here gets that worked up about it. And yeah, I've coached and umpired for many years, so I pretty familar with both ends of the lineup card. And I do know where the line is drawn between the two when perform both jobs. I'm not one of those knucklehead coaches that blurt out "I'm an umpire.....!", nor do I offer any coaching advise during a game. And I fully understand that my park is probably unique in the fact that we, as umpires, don't feel the need to "escape" from the field after a game. No one hounds us after a game, and there's hardly any contention. Plus, I run a pretty big Junior umpire program. I don't want my kids to feel like they're second class citizens, and have to run and hide after a game. They should feel comfortable enough to hang around the park after their game, and not feel imtimidated by coaches or parents. Luckily, and this is after a dozen plus years of working on this, we've gotten to that point. Everybody is pulling the rope in the same direction. Now, is it perfect? Heck no. Do we have disagreements? Idiot parents? Bad calls? Absolutely. But we have ways of dealing with them, and it's rarely an issue. I'm not saying to try what we do anywhere else, and I certainly wouldn't do it at any of our cross town leagues, where they have zero respect for umpires. But it works for us. Kyle, Let me apologize. I was in a bad mood this morning and hadn't had my coffee yet. My post was uncalled for. Loyd

Maybe you should become a coach. If not, get off the field after the game is over. You should not be standing around waiting for a pat on the back for explaining to the coach what he should have done during the game. The way I see it is if you want to umpire then umpire, if you want to coach then sell/donate your umpire equipment and become a coach. It sounds like you could win the championship every year. :no:

Not a good system for an umpire that might have gone to a good camp and was just starting HS umpiring. I was doing playoff games in my 2nd year. :wow:

You should buy a good quality Umpire belt. :shakehead:

2012 Case Book 6.1.3Situation O. It is a balk if he goes to his mouth while in contact with the pitcher's plate, if there is a runner. If no runner, then it is a ball on the batter..

But they can have tape on their body. Taping down a medical or religious bracelet or necklace. :notworthy:

How can B ever be correct when it says REGARDLESS of whether anyone was on base or not. If there is no runner it is a ball on the batter, and with a runner it is a balk.

Don't we have runners that fake a move and not go. Would you eject in that case? I would day he is trying to cause a balk. Do you eject a batter that stepped out to the box and caused a balk? Or did you read his mind also?

The reason I used Skunk in the Outfield is because I have not heard of the Broken Mirror play. I would treat it the same without the noise made by the runner. We have umpires in our association that say they would eject they runner from 1st base in both. I don't know what rule they would stand on. I would think if a coach would run the play he would already know it was legal.

Our HS association was sent this by email (taken from an Umpire board somewhere) and I wanted to see what you guys thought. I think I would treat it like I would treat the Skunk in the Outfield play. What say you? Here is the situation: TOP of 6th inning with 2 outs and the score tied 0-0, R1 on 3rd Base, R2 on 1st base, B9 is at the plate with 0 Balls 1 Strike and had already struck out 2 or 3 times in the game. As the pitcher starts from the stretch, R1 breaks towards home, R2 starts running directly at the Left Handed Pitcher making a noise so that the pitcher would surely see that R2 was running directly towards the pitching mound. This causes the pitcher to hesitate or pause just before finishing his delivery towards home and the home plate umpire called a BALK! The catcher after receiving the pitch tagged out the R1 trying to steal home. Umpire ruled a Balk and said the R2 had not established his base path and was able to run in any direction of his choice. Therefore, R1 was allowed to score and R2 was awarded 2nd Base. Loyd

Thanks! I have called the way in the past (never had 2nd fake tag) but could not find it quickly in the book. I looked up Obstruction in the index and it didn't lead me to the penalty. Thanks again as I started doubting myself.

That is correct isn't it? However, isn't the first time a warning? I really don't remember how FED enforces this. I suppose I should look it up. I have to say that if it is a warning and it seriously impedes a runner, I'm likely awarding a base, no doubt, that is for sure. Yes its is a warning and obstruction. You will award "at least one base" because of the obstruction. That's the FED Rule. What are you warning? I would have sworn it was a warning and ejection the 2nd time, but after looking in 2012 FED Rules, I don't see it. What is the deterrent if there is no penalty?

That is correct isn't it? However, isn't the first time a warning? I really don't remember how FED enforces this. I suppose I should look it up. I have to say that if it is a warning and it seriously impedes a runner, I'm likely awarding a base, no doubt, that is for sure. Yes its is a warning and obstruction. You will award "at least one base" because of the obstruction. That's the FED Rule.