Play I saw

[Mr Umpire]

I have to jump in and simply ask how about NF where you don't have type A obstruction. The ball is not immediately dead so the B-R action of hitting the ball happens when the ball is live. I guess you still have obstruction and award B-R 1st base, agreed? Well, at least agreed by those that believe there is obstruction by F2 in this OP.

Why even reference the INT? Once the BR is obstructed before he touches 1B, the ball is dead in a situation like this. The INT never happened.

We don't seem to be reading the same question. The question supposed obstruction not of type A. Obstruction on the BR would be type A. (I'm not sure what we're imagining here if it's F2 obstructing. R3?)

If we have a pending type B obstruction, the ball remains live until the batter-runner contacts the ball. We have to call the INT, which kills the play. The result of the play is an out, but it doesn't stand due to the obstruction.

It's much like the Balk/Catcher's Interference question.

No, its not like the Balk/CI question. And, you did not read the bottom part of that post since you cut it short. Even if OBS is Type B, the only time you will reference the INT is if OBS does not nullify it. There is no referencing it at all if OBS nullifies it. Nothing about referencing it at all. The result of the play is not an option.

The result is Time called if the out would not have occurred absent the OBS regardless of why the runner is out. Time being called is the result every time with bases being awarded if necessary if an out occurs when it shouldn't have. There is no other option in a case like this.

The Balk/CI had several different options and each one had to be reviewed individually. This has 2 options: the play that occurred or the OBS. Take the entire play or call Time to award bases. Nothing left to examine.

[basejester]

Fed doesn't have Type A,B obstruction, they use all delayed dead ball and always award a base. Because of that the play continues to completion, then you award bases.

I misunderstood the question.

[basejester]

No, its not like the Balk/CI question. And, you did not read the bottom part of that post since you cut it short. Even if OBS is Type B, the only time you will reference the INT is if OBS does not nullify it. There is no referencing it at all if OBS nullifies it. Nothing about referencing it at all. The result of the play is not an option.

I read your full post. I misunderstood the question, so my response didn't make much sense. I read a play with obstruction that is not type A (i.e., type B), when the question was about a ruleset without type A.

So, yeah, I think you're saying if you know that something will be nullified, don't call it. Which makes sense.

[Mr Umpire]

No, its not like the Balk/CI question. And, you did not read the bottom part of that post since you cut it short. Even if OBS is Type B, the only time you will reference the INT is if OBS does not nullify it. There is no referencing it at all if OBS nullifies it. Nothing about referencing it at all. The result of the play is not an option.

I read your full post. I misunderstood the question, so my response didn't make much sense. I read a play with obstruction that is not type A (i.e., type B), when the question was about a ruleset without type A.

So, yeah, I think you're saying if you know that something will be nullified, don't call it. Which makes sense.

Exactly. Only call the OBS (Type A or B ) and nothing more.

[Jocko]

:bang:

Can we call this on settled? Finally? PLEASE!?!

[jnazz]

I know I'm terribly late in posting for this situation, but early on in the postings the JEA situation was noted. I'm sitting with the 2007 Evans Diamond Challange and the exact situation has a completely opposite ruling. My book reads:

7.09(j) The catcher has the right of way to field the ball. Unless the catcher intentionally obstructs, the ball is dead and the batter-runner is out for interfernce.