Headfirst slide sorta

[mstaylor]

I was talking to a friend of mine today. Basic overview of the play, multiple runners, runner coming home, throw coming to the plate and contact. So the runner is coming home, and the ball, the runner and catcher all got to the same place. The contact not a collision but it caused the catcher to miss the ball. The runner then stumbles and dives at the plate. The manager of the catcher, my friend, didn't see the contact but saw the headfirst slide so he requested time to discuss it with the PU. Evidently both managers were involved in the conversation. The contact wasn't at the plate, it was at the edge of the dirt circle. The runner's manager was the one that said he stumbled and dove. Now all this was shortcircuited by the PU who says," I didn't see the contact or dive at the plate because he assumed he would be safe and turned his attention to the play at third." Watch the ball, that is where the play is going to be. Forget all the craziness, did the runner touch home. That is an important thing to know.

[sdix00]

Agreed on the bad mechanics.

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A while ago on another board, someone asked: "What types of things do amateur umpires have to worry about that the Pros do not?"

The typical answers were jewelry, MC, Courtesy runners, etc.

But then I started thinking about the 60ft umpire and even more items to add to the list.

Imagine PU letting the throw home take him to the play at home only to find a runner sliding head-first in to home. How did he get to be head first? Tripped or dove? Not sure the correct mechanics would get you to that answer.

At other levels, who cares how he got there. All we care about is did he touch the plate before he was tagged.

[Dragon29]

Wow! This guy needs to think about what he would rather say to an irate OM:

"I'm sorry Skip, I didn't see the play at 3rd because I was focused on the dust-up at Home plate."

- OR -

"I'm sorry Skip, I didn't see whether or not your runner scored because I was getting into position to make a call at 3rd."

Not a tough question.

[Rich Ives]

I was talking to a friend of mine today. Basic overview of the play, multiple runners, runner coming home, throw coming to the plate and contact. So the runner is coming home, and the ball, the runner and catcher all got to the same place. The contact not a collision but it caused the catcher to miss the ball. The runner then stumbles and dives at the plate. The manager of the catcher, my friend, didn't see the contact but saw the headfirst slide so he requested time to discuss it with the PU. Evidently both managers were involved in the conversation. The contact wasn't at the plate, it was at the edge of the dirt circle. The runner's manager was the one that said he stumbled and dove. Now all this was shortcircuited by the PU who says," I didn't see the contact or dive at the plate because he assumed he would be safe and turned his attention to the play at third." Watch the ball, that is where the play is going to be. Forget all the craziness, did the runner touch home. That is an important thing to know.

The Right Call - page 33 - 2011 edition

A stumble or trip is not a head first slide

[mstaylor]

I agree but when you add a dive then it sounds like it's back to a headfirst slide. The entire conversation went out the window when said he didn't see any of it.