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I ordered a pair of Smitty Poly Wool pants from ump attire and was told these are a great product and the size is true. Well once I got the pants I had them hemmed and I feel they are not true plate pants. The legs feel too skinny to be plat pants. If I could get my money back I would, but I cant, so I am going to have to eat these. But I wont order from UA again, it will be honigs.