WilsonFlyer

A clarification which must absolutely be answered before we can answer the question regardless.

Wait. What? Ummm... No. This one as described takes ridiculous to a whole new level I'm not familiar with. What level of play did this farce occur in?

Some of y'all just like picking up nasty sticks.

That's funny right there. I don't care who you are.

The question I've always been told to ask myself is, "Did the bat hit the ball or did the ball hit the bat?" The former is interference and the latter is nothing.

According to Senor Azul's post, I see no provision for calling the batter out on a DDB unless the BR is put out at 1B (in this case), hence; the delayed dead ball. In your post, it sounds like the out may have been part and parcel to the penalty itself. As far as I remember, that is not allowed. We can't just make crap up. Sometimes umpires do and get away with it, or maybe they really believe they are backed up by a rule that they thought they knew. What it actually does is makes us all look bad.

I've had it happen to me a couple of times over the years and I can't say that I agree with that as a carte blanche claim. I distinctly remember the last time it happened to me (and I had to put R1 back) and the catcher bobbled the exchange and took a step back instead of forward before he then stepped and threw. I was getting out of the way as hard as I could and his hand (actually more the ball) barely touched my mask. To be honest, I knew he didn't even know it happened, to which he later confessed and apologized. I really only called it because of, well, cameras. I'm just being honest and maybe I shouldn't be but it's the truth. It was a pretty high profile game and cameras and cell phone cameras were running everywhere. I knew I'd be criticized regardless so I erred on the side supported by rule. All that to say this. I disagree. It is not always us being too close. I see far too many guys missing outside corner pitches because they are simply too far away. I'll take my chances, and if it's on me, I'll own it, but I won't paint with a broad brush that I was in error because it happens.

Apparently this is not as much of an uncommon problem as I had hoped. If we have a kid that pitches and can't seem to keep his hat on (It falls off virtually every other pitch at least.), what do you guys do? I can't find anything in the rule book to really help me out specifically. I had a coach get pretty snotty about it when I said something about it once. Is there anything that can be done, really?

Why was the runner put back at 3B? If it was a balk, all runner advance one base, right? The BR to 1B nullifies the CI. I get that. What nullifies the balk?

That "bare hand" just became part and parcel of the gloved ball. It's hard for me to imagine a scenario here where I wouldn't have an out. It's equally hard for me to imagine the scenario you described actually happening.

C:/ has never been relevant.

I cannot think of a situation off the top of my head where a batter hit by pitch is not a dead ball situation. I'm sure someone will come up with an exception here, which is partially why I'm posting it. I don't think it's going to happen, but I am curious.

NC shut down effective midnight tonight until April 6 at which time it will supposedly be re-evaluated. Go figure there's rain today. Who'da thunk it, right?

I think you'd have a perfectly valid argument, but in this case, you're already picking it up by the dirty end. I'm not sure the best thing to do isn't just to put it down as quickly and peacefully as you can.

And I think I'm sure I knew that, but thanks for re-affirming it. That's what this forum is for.