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  1. What is the meaning of the call of "time" in baseball? There is no game clock to pause for a time out...???
  2. Thanks to all for the discussion... I found it very interesting. For what it's worth, I ran into the same plate umpire (not the UIC who made the final call) at another game and he brought up the incident and told me, "That was a home run."
  3. Had to been there, right? I think this is what happened: 1. Batter/runner is excited to hit his first ever home run 2. BR sees excited teammates at dugout opening 3. BR takes a wide swing over and starts high-fiving 4. Force of habit kicks in -- BR has been conditioned that high fives at dugout entrance are followed by entering dugout. BR forgets about touching home and begins to attempt entry to dugout. At this point I think the ump could have judged abandonment. 5. Dugout entry denied by teammates, screaming coach frees BR from trance and he touches home. Further details, if you want them: I was the guy screaming, the coach of the offensive team. This is my third year coaching this team, the last game of the season, and this is the first over-the-fence home run I've seen by us or against us in those three years. The other team is not IMO a classy team. Hothead coaches and a lack of sportsmanship. We ended up winning the game. At the time, I believed the UIC had made the rulebook-correct call and explained so to our fans and assistant coaches (one was the dad of the BR). My oldest son umpires in this league (different age groups, though) and my relationship with the UIC is cordial. Our league's official rules say they follow modified NFHS. In the past, they said modified OBR. When I asked them about this at the beginning of the year, the UIC said they are OBR but with a few things from NFHS, such as dead ball on a balk. (I don't understand the ambiguity; seems like shaky ground on which to make the tricky calls.)
  4. Also... and I am probably over thinking this -- I think the umpire could have called the player out for abandonment without him actually entering the dugout. Correct?
  5. In another similar thread on this forum, this incident was mentioned: http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/9780550/v11487843/must-c-curious-morgan-out-at-home-for-contact Angel Hernandez called Nyjer Morgan out because the previous runner to cross home, Ivan Rodriguez, pushed him back to home plate. Seems somewhat similar to this situation. On the other hand.... Angel Hernandez, nuff said. Also - I think there may be some distinction between "live ball" plays and a home run. But I could be wrong about that.
  6. Is there somewhere in OBR where teammates are not allowed to physically assist each other? It's very clear that coaches may not assist, but I can't find anything about teammates. I think NFHS doesn't allow teammates to assist when the ball is live, not sure if that would apply on a home run anyway, though.
  7. As I am understanding the rules, in OBR the coach is not allowed to physically assist the BR, but I am not so sure about the other players on the team.
  8. Sorry, I must have worded the question badly... (1) and (2) were suggested as "bonus" questions, extra credit if you will, asking "what if" something had happened besides what actually happened. The real question I had was, in the actual scenario where the BR was pushed away from the dugout, before entering it, by his teammates: Does the HR stand? Was the ruling that was provided by the UIC correct? At the time of the game, I thought the ruling was correct, but looking at the rules later I am beginning to think that the umpire was INCORRECT to call the BR out for being physically assisted by his teammates.
  9. 11u game at local rec league. Assume that rules are OBR. Runner on third, one out. Batter hits an over-the-fence HR (extremely rare at this level). Batter-runner's team is in the third-base dugout. After the batter-runner touches third, he swings over to the dugout. Teammates at the entrance to the dugout are high-fiving him. BR seems to have forgotten about touching home and is about to enter dugout. Base coach begins screaming, "HOME! HOME!" and some of the BR's teammates in the dugout push him away from the dugout's opening. BR comes to his senses, touches home, and enters dugout. Does the HR stand? The ruling: Opposing coach claimed the BR entered dugout and should be called out. Umpire judged that he did not enter the dugout. UIC is called and rules that the BR is out for being physically assisted by the teammates in the dugout. Bonus questions: (1) if the BR had entered the dugout, then returned to field and touched home, would he have been out? (2) if the 3B coach had grabbed the BR and pulled him away from the dugout, would he be out?
  10. Don't know if the OP is still around or not, but my 10u house team had a game this week that was on the field next to a 9u select team. I don't know if this was the same 9u select team that the original poster was discussing, but the coaches and fans of one of the teams in this 9u select game (Sting - Brannam) were totally out of control. Very loud and apparently were using much obscenities. I was focused on our game, so I didn't know what was going on, although I could hear there was a BIG ruckus. Our opposing coach (10u house) and several of his team's parents were upset enough about having to listen to this display that they emailed the board members about it. I am hopeful that this team will be banned from the facility that this incident will lead our league to encourage officials to shut things down much more quickly.
  11. I saw this post, so I wanted to say something. I'm a coach at the organization (Affton) where the original poster works. (10u house... if he had said 10u select, I think I would have known exactly what coach!). And I have an older son who has been playing there for seven years. (He wants to begin umpiring there next fall) 80-90% of the coaches are fine - a few will get a little heated now and then, but nothing serious. Then there's the BAD 10-20% and you umpires absolutely need to crack down on them! Be quicker with the ejection and we will ALL have a better game! One thing I'm baffled by in this organization is seeing problem coaches returning year after year. I guess the administration doesn't want to get tough with them. This organization hires a lot of young kids (down to age 14) for umpires and they are dealing with an umpire shortage this year. I wonder why...? Anyway, we coaches (the sane 80%) appreciate what you are doing -- stick around. Just get tougher with the bad apples and don't let them drag it out!
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