Rhyno

This feels like an aspect of there being no base before home plate, and a tie in to the concept of abandonment, but that’s the sort of semantic pedantry I’m trying to avoid speculating on. Lemme let this go. It feels like there’s definitely a “force play/out” definition that doesn’t rely on that, and would easily encompass both settings.

I had a freshman game in HS a few years ago where this happened, and led me to researching it, because I got it wrong. This time happened in rec softball, where no one really wants to run to first, and I felt like a real jerk calling it (but did). No video, thankfully.

I admit I’ve never understood the semantic need for a put out at first not to simply be a “force out”. It fulfills the requirements in every way. Are there any significant manners in which it is treated differently than a force out on a runner at another base?

1 out, runners on second and third, potential walk off scenario. Ball to shortstop. Runners go. Tag is made on running running to third (2nd out). Then a failed play on the runner at home is made. The batter thinks the game is over and doesn’t finish running to first. They are thrown out at first eventually (3rd out). In a scenario with two outs and the put out on the B/R at first is made, it’s clearly no run scored. In a situation where the third out is made on such, but on the same play as a relevant preceding out was a timing play on an elective runner, is there any exception? Or is this still no run, because the third out was a force/PO-on-BR-before-they-reached-first, even if the runner beat the second out (which was necessary to set up the third one ending the inning)?