Chris

are you kidding? I have done a lot of reading, I have cited the actual LL rules, I have questioned the instructor's comment in the RIM that creates a rule without basis. I have yet to ask for a rule that references me by name, I simply asked for A SINGLE LL RULE. I haven't seen a post yet that disagrees with there not being a rule; not even a rule that was ambiguous and some other document provided a clarification. "Intellectual curiosity" - you make me laugh by dismissing someone that wants to further a discussion on applying a rule that is not a rule.

Sure, unfortunately LL sends out a rule book every year - they never mention if you don't like something here, or feel another year's book may be better, or just ignore this book and go off what you want or some other organizations rules. in fact, the rule book states clearly: “OFFICIAL RULES - The rules contained in this book.” Excerpt From: Digital, Libre. “2017 Little League Baseball: Official Regulations, Playing Rules, and Policies.” Libre Digital, 2017. iBooks. This material may be protected by copyright. There are Approved Rulings outside of the book that apply scenarios to the rules to clarify ambiguous rules, however, I have not found another A.R. or instructor's comment that completely changed the rule as this does. The instructor's comment does not expound on 6.05(f), it creates an application of a rule that Has no basis in the LL rule book. Please understand, this discussion is continuing for intellectual curiosity, not debating a citation to apply the call of foul ball, I have stated that 3 times now.

I was looking for a LL rule to cite, which we all now seem to agree does not exist. Seemingly, every other organization has a specific rule to cover this scenario, as you have outlined several above. Very early on in this thread I accepted citing the 2017 LL RIM. After accepting the citation, I clearly stated that the further discussion was only intellectual curiosity; not to debate being able to call foul and cite a reference. I stated the relevant LL rule and pondered how the rule could be interpreted by the Instructor as meaning unless the batter is still in the batter's box - the rule does not leave room for that interpretation.

No it is fair if the ball hits or stops on the plate; you would be surprised how many people argue it is foul when their runner is tagged/thrown out. We get the "I have played and coached Just to be clear, we are not talking about the ball hitting the batter's foot first - that would be a dead bal

No it is fair if the ball hits or stops on the plate; you would be surprised how many people argue it is foul when their runner is tagged/thrown out. We get the "I have played and coached Just to be clear, we are not talking about the ball hitting the batter's foot first - that would be a dead ball.

No it is fair if the ball hits or stops on the plate; you would be surprised how many people argue it is foul when their runner is tagged/thrown out. We get the "I have played and coached this game for 30 something years and it has always been called foul if the ball hit the plate"

No it is fair if the ball hits or stops on the plate; you would be surprised how many people argue it is foul when their runner is tagged/thrown out. We get the "I have played and coached this game for 30 something years and it has always been called foul if the ball hit the plate"

As it pertains to LL, it is like the ball being foul if it hits the plate, a fly ball deflected over the fence in fair territory is a ground rule double, etc - these are commonly considered basic calls; they are wrong and not at all based on the rules.

That is not even remotely analogous, there is a clear rule on the foul ball. jimurray brought up that he would call the batter out on a deadened bunt landing in the batter's box that the batter touched.

This type of post does nothing to progress knowledge. Are you somehow getting notifications that you were compelled to respond to? I stated after the 2017 RIM comment that we would cite that as our reference for the ruling. If you read the thread, you would know the further discussion was related to intellectual curiosity, if that is something you choose not to partake in, please do not feel compelled to do so. If the desire was to call a foul ball when hitting the batter in fair territory, one could argue they probably could have clarified the rule somewhere between 1939 and 2017. It isn't that I do not like the call being foul, it is actually my preference, like I have stated though, I like to administer rules not make them up. There are no rules with ambiguity enough to interpret the foul ball call.

I appreciate your position and your right to manage your field as you choose. I do not umpire that way, if field decorum is maintained and a manager has a rule protest I always err on the side of getting the call right. The game is for the kids, not me being right. Luckily, I have not had to reverse a call or be overruled by the district, but I am happy when managers know the rules.

Using this example of the batter being out, why would the batter be out if he touched a deadened bunt, but not if the ball hit the ground and bounced back and hit him in the exact same position. Let's just say for the sake of the argument that the batter's position and where the ball hit him were the same on the deadened bunt and the ball bouncing back.

Our district UIC has been umpiring Little League for over 20 years and high school, initially he applied the high school rule and overruled the call, then reversed his decision when applying only LL rules. I am missing the point on literal, the rule refers to a ball in fair territory, it is not ambiguous, it does not leave room for interpretation.

Gone for what? The only calls they can protest are administration of rules, if the manager comes out turned to rule 6.05(f) and asks you what rule you are using you are going to kick him out?

The 2 times we have had this happen, the ball hit fair territory and was in fair territory when the ball hit the batter (making it a fair ball). The batter still had 1 or both feet within the box. We ruled based on the ball being fair, not the position of the batter, it was upheld by the district.