Bubba19

I'm not a huge fan of...Go Out, Stay Out. If I'm working with guys I know, I trust them to make the best decision. Gotta have good communication. Now umpires that are still learning 3-man, probably best they stay out and just be an extra set of and observe play.

HP staying home could also have been influenced by the count and number of outs.

Some good input on this thread about it either way.

This 100% accurate.

However, to throw a wrench into things, there is rumor that the CCA is going to make a change and give the tag-up at third with a runner at 3rd base only to U3. Hopefully they decide against this as there will be situations where U3 moves outside to line up the tag at 3rd and U1 goes out on a no-catch; leaving no one in position to cover the play at 2nd on the BR!

If they change to that mechanic and U1 goes out with R3 only, then U3 would come inside to take everything on the bases and the PU would take the tag up at third.  It takes some adjusting and you have to read the play, but it is doable.  

The only issue is if U1 goes out and even if U3 comes inside, it's tough to get in position for plays back into first on the BR, but that's the samie way as it is now, so nothing really changes in that regard.

It's doable for sure. Didn't mean to imply it wasn't. Could have been more articulate in that; if U1 goes out late and U3 doesn't recognise it, there could be some issues!

Actually this is covered in your CCA 3man... U3 if he does not go out, will go into the infield, and take Br into 2nd, or take a throw back into 3rd....it is covered on pg 173-175

PU has tag up at 3rd. If Ball is going to be caught then U3 would stay to rule on any play back into 3rd. If ball is a clean hit then U3 would break for 2nd. He would have BR runner into 2nd and if he advances to 3rd.

I don't see it on those pages.

173 is clean hit (didn't happen)

174 is fly to right (didn't happen)

175 is catch, U3 is out (which implies trouble).

Sorry for the late response; I'm finally back from assignment where I can get to my books, but I think I'll be out again is a couple of weeks.

I don't have my manual in front of me...but, with R3 only (and a three-man umpire crew)...U3 is either:

(1)  Going out on the fly ball if it is hit in his area of responsibility and he reads it as a "trouble ball" OR

(2)  (If U3 does not go out) Busting in and taking the B/R into second base (or third base), while still having responsibility for a throw back into third base against R3 (PU has R3's tag at third base, however) OR

(3)  If U1 goes out, B/R will take B/R into second or third base (plus a throw back into third base against R3) BUT also has a throw back into first against the B/R. 

Remember, in a three-man crew the ONLY time U3 ever takes the tag-up at third base by R3 is when there are R2 AND R3 AND neither base umpire goes out on the fly ball.  With an R3 only, U3 NEVER has R3 tagging up.  U3 is either going out on the fly ball or busting in (as set forth above).

Actually this is covered in your CCA 3man... U3 if he does not go out, will go into the infield, and take Br into 2nd, or take a throw back into 3rd....it is covered on pg 173-175

PU has tag up at 3rd. If Ball is going to be caught then U3 would stay to rule on any play back into 3rd. If ball is a clean hit then U3 would break for 2nd. He would have BR runner into 2nd and if he advances to 3rd.

I don't see it on those pages.

173 is clean hit (didn't happen)

174 is fly to right (didn't happen)

175 is catch, U3 is out (which implies trouble).

Sorry for the late response; I'm finally back from assignment where I can get to my books, but I think I'll be out again is a couple of weeks.

I don't have my manual in front of me...but, with R3 only (and a three-man umpire crew)...U3 is either:

(1)  Going out on the fly ball if it is hit in his area of responsibility and he reads it as a "trouble ball" OR

(2)  (If U3 does not go out) Busting in and taking the B/R into second base (or third base), while still having responsibility for a throw back into third base against R3 (PU has R3's tag at third base, however) OR

(3)  If U1 goes out, B/R will take B/R into second or third base (plus a throw back into third base against R3) BUT also has a throw back into first against the B/R. 

Remember, in a three-man crew the ONLY time U3 ever takes the tag-up at third base by R3 is when there are R2 AND R3 AND neither base umpire goes out on the fly ball.  With an R3 only, U3 NEVER has R3 tagging up.  U3 is either going out on the fly ball or busting in (as set forth above).

This 100% accurate.

However, to throw a wrench into things, there is rumor that the CCA is going to make a change and give the tag-up at third with a runner at 3rd base only to U3. Hopefully they decide against this as there will be situations where U3 moves outside to line up the tag at 3rd and U1 goes out on a no-catch; leaving no one in position to cover the play at 2nd on the BR!