Lodged Batted Ball - Lodged is Lodged

[johnnyg08]

 

[dumbdumb]

1 hour ago, johnnyg08 said:

 

yep. but in the old days without replay, the field umpire was required to go all the way out to the wall and inspect to make sure the ball was lodged and the outfielder was not deking/pull a fast one, on the call. players are taught to raise their hands if the ball lodges. if they go ahead and play the ball, that would indicate (by looks) the ball had not lodged because why would a player taught to raise their hands if it was lodged, make a play on the ball if it wasn't lodged.

anyway.

replay took care of this situation. even if the player made a play on a ball that they thought or were sure it was lodged, but worried the umpire might rule it was not lodged. damned if you do and damned if you don't possibly. some of the good things about replay review now.

nice get/example there @johnnyg08

[johnnyg08]

1 hour ago, dumbdumb said:

yep. but in the old days without replay, the field umpire was required to go all the way out to the wall and inspect to make sure the ball was lodged and the outfielder was not deking/pull a fast one, on the call. players are taught to raise their hands if the ball lodges. if they go ahead and play the ball, that would indicate (by looks) the ball had not lodged because why would a player taught to raise their hands if it was lodged, make a play on the ball if it wasn't lodged.

anyway.

replay took care of this situation. even if the player made a play on a ball that they thought or were sure it was lodged, but worried the umpire might rule it was not lodged. damned if you do and damned if you don't possibly. some of the good things about replay review now.

nice get/example there @johnnyg08

Yes and no...I've seen players do both...they panic when they see runners running so they grab the ball. 

For sure...replay helps in gray-area cases. 

In this case, the umpire killed the play and it was confirmed via review....but yes..w/o replay...there is a risk in playing the lodged ball under the premise that you must trust the umpires to correctly know & apply the proper rule. 

When in doubt, get away from it...if there's no doubt, even w/o replay...a lodge is a lodge regardless of what the defense does or doesn't do. 

 

[Velho]

51 minutes ago, johnnyg08 said:

there is a risk in playing the lodged ball under the premise that you must trust the umpires do correctly know & apply the proper rule. 

Boom shockalocka. Nailed it.

Risk reward in trusting people.

Baseball is life. 

[jimurrayalterego]

1 hour ago, johnnyg08 said:

Yes and no...I've seen players do both...they panic when they see runners running so they grab the ball. 

For sure...replay helps in gray-area cases. 

In this case, the umpire killed the play and it was confirmed via review....but yes..w/o replay...there is a risk in playing the lodged ball under the premise that you must trust the umpires to correctly know & apply the proper rule. 

When in doubt, get away from it...if there's no doubt, even w/o replay...a lodge is a lodge regardless of what the defense does or doesn't do. 

 

The criteria is pretty straight forward from the MLBUM:

"17. LODGED BALL Rule 5.06(b)(4)(F): A ball is considered lodged if, in the judgment of the umpire, the natural tra jectory of the flight of the ball is interrupted long enough to affect further play. A batted ball that sticks in a fence, scoreboard, shrubbery or vines located on the playing field should be considered a lodged ball. Likewise, a ball that goes behind a field tarp or wall padding without leaving the playing field should also be con sidered to be lodged and the same two base award applies. The determination of whether a ball is lodged is subject to Replay Review."

BUT, what isn't clear is whether it is TOP or Time of stick. Eg: earlier in 5.06 they specify last base legally touched on a catch and carry. Anybody got a cite that specifies TOP.

[Velho]

51 minutes ago, johnnyg08 said:

there is a risk in playing the lodged ball under the premise that you must trust the umpires do correctly know & apply the proper rule. 

Boom shockalocka. Nailed it.

Risk reward in trusting people.

Baseball is life. 

[johnnyg08]

2 hours ago, jimurrayalterego said:

The criteria is pretty straight forward from the MLBUM:

"17. LODGED BALL Rule 5.06(b)(4)(F): A ball is considered lodged if, in the judgment of the umpire, the natural tra jectory of the flight of the ball is interrupted long enough to affect further play. A batted ball that sticks in a fence, scoreboard, shrubbery or vines located on the playing field should be considered a lodged ball. Likewise, a ball that goes behind a field tarp or wall padding without leaving the playing field should also be con sidered to be lodged and the same two base award applies. The determination of whether a ball is lodged is subject to Replay Review."

BUT, what isn't clear is whether it is TOP or Time of stick. Eg: earlier in 5.06 they specify last base legally touched on a catch and carry. Anybody got a cite that specifies TOP.

It's TOP---in Wendelstedt, it's included in the 2 Base Award section on a batted ball. (if that's what you're asking)

[jimurrayalterego]

54 minutes ago, johnnyg08 said:

It's TOP---in Wendelstedt, it's included in the 2 Base Award section on a batted ball. (if that's what you're asking)

Yes, a fanboy might argue time of stick.

[johnnyg08]

18 hours ago, jimurrayalterego said:

Yes, a fanboy might argue time of stick.

Anything is possible with a dedicated fan boy.