controversy-- what happened earlier

[dumbdumb]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/coastal-carolina-coach-s-first-inning-mcws-ejection-included-a-tumbling-umpire/ar-AA1Hcw3k?ocid=BingNewsSerp

for the win calling it an ump show. boy, just like the pitch online people, etc.and podcasts

https://ftw.usatoday.com/story/sports/2025/06/22/coastal-carolina-coach-kevin-schnall-mcws-ejection-umpire/84308964007/

[grayhawk]

The pitch was borderline but probably a strike. F2 was set up outside and had to reach to his left to glove it and then dragged his mitt further left from there which gave the 1BC the impression it was inside. Campos warned the 1BC, Schnall then started arguing and got warned, then was told to go back to the dugout, and then Schnall put up 3 fingers and clearly TWICE yelled, "You missed three pitches!!" He must have forgotten he was in the CWS finals and ran himself.

COACHSHOW!

 

[dumbdumb]

response from ncaa

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/news/college-baseball/ncaa-releases-statement-on-ejections-suspensions-for-coastal-carolinas-kevin-schnall-matt-schilling/

but what happened in the top of the 1st with the LSU 3rd base coach that is mentioned.

[Thatsnotyou]

He knew there was a warning. He came out on to the field and did show & tell for everyone. You’re done. 
 

I will say, though, his contact didn’t cause the umpire to fall. That guy did it to himself. 

[zoops]

43 minutes ago, grayhawk said:

The pitch was borderline but probably a strike. F2 was set up outside and had to reach to his left to glove it and then dragged his mitt further left from there which gave the 1BC the impression it was inside. Campos warned the 1BC, Schnall then started arguing and got warned, then was told to go back to the dugout, and then Schnall put up 3 fingers and clearly TWICE yelled, "You missed three pitches!!" He must have forgotten he was in the CWS finals and ran himself.

COACHSHOW!

 

100%.  This is a no brainer ejection - a coach coming 10 feet out of his dugout (after a warning to stop) to yell and make gestures about how many calls he thinks you've missed.  The "how can you do that in a championship game" crowd should be directing that at the coach for being an idiot, not the umpire.  I missed the first few innings - I'll have to go back and try find what they're talking about with the LSU base coach.

[grayhawk]

8 minutes ago, Thatsnotyou said:

I will say, though, his contact didn’t cause the umpire to fall. That guy did it to himself. 

Agreed. I think he just tripped over the feet of the other umpire.

One more thing. The 1BC has NO BUSINESS being down there unless it's to get Schnall off the field to avoid a prolonged suspension. But that's not what he was doing. He continued to argue so no surprise he got run and got a prolonged too.

[jimurrayalterego]

31 minutes ago, grayhawk said:

Agreed. I think he just tripped over the feet of the other umpire.

 

Haven't rewatched video yet but my first impression is two partners coming in to cowboy coach as PU walks away. Coach does not stop and ump who fell backs up and trips over partner's foot. But that partner also had a hand on him to what seemed to be backing him away. Coach says in his presser that ump that fell got up and gave him 2 games for bumping. 

[grayhawk]

14 minutes ago, jimurrayalterego said:

Haven't rewatched video yet but my first impression is two partners coming in to cowboy coach as PU walks away. Coach does not stop and ump who fell backs up and trips over partner's foot. But that partner also had a hand on him to what seemed to be backing him away. Coach says in his presser that ump that fell got up and gave him 2 games for bumping. 

The official NCAA statement did not mention physical contact. It only mentioned 5-15a(4) which is prolonged arguing.

[jimurrayalterego]

18 minutes ago, grayhawk said:

The official NCAA statement did not mention physical contact. It only mentioned 5-15a(4) which is prolonged arguing.

We don't know if the ump who stumbled thought he was bumped and backed off when he realized what happened or the coach is spinning it. How do you "vaguely hear" a warning. But the "shoo" did look bad.

[dumbdumb]

you are suppose to let them walk up one side of you and down the other and just take it from them. they are the game not you. you are just doing an ump show if you even think about not putting up with that type of coaching behavior and being a wal flower to show your power and arrogance. us bobby knights of the world rule, not you the umpire. and the shame is this type of behavior trickles down (who says the trickle down theory never works or is full of hooey) to all the levels below and emboldens other coaches and parents at all levels to do the same.

if you want to know why there are shortages, just watch how this is playing out. they always point the finger one way and it is never to the face in the mirror and their own deportment, it is always the blame game on someone else. and you wonder why a lot of players will tell you they dont want your job because of all the crapola you got to take.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/baseball/2025/06/22/coastal-carolina-coach-ejection-kevin-schnall-national-championship/84310599007/

and the AD

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/baseball/2025/06/22/coastal-carolina-ejection-kevin-schnall-chance-miller-statement/84312086007/?tbref=hp

[SeeingEyeDog]

LMFAO! "...these ejections drastically altered the game."

Yes, Mr. AD...the actions by YOUR coaches and the choices THEY made, by rule, required the umpires to eject them thereby "drastically altering the game". Guess what? Don't want the game so "drastically altered"? Tell your coaches not to make the choices they made. If they hadn't a-done what the umpire told them not to do, they would've been permitted to coach the rest of the game. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. 

One time...just one time, I'd really appreciate hearing one of these ADs or if it's a pro team a GM say, "This was a big game. And we got to this big game because we have the best coaching staff in the league/country. Our team doesn't get to his big game without them. There's a great deal of pressure to win at this level. Everyone, including I'm sure the umpires understands this. Our team needs our coaches available to lead us until the last out is made and the game is over. As I said, we don't get here without them...and we don't win this game without them. So, when they did and said what they did today, right or wrong about what occurred on the play, they left the umpires no choice but to dismiss them from the contest. Hopefully, we have all learned something from this and we can endeavor to make different choices in the future in order to keep our coaching staff in the game."

Ok...my fever dream is over now, apparently...I guess this is why schools like Yale and Harvard haven't gone to the CWS since 1948 and 1974, respectively...

~Dawg

[zoops]

I went back and watched the top of 1 looking for what the beef was with the LSU 3rd base coach.  You could tell the pitcher was upset with something he did during the last at bat of the inning, but I couldn't tell what it was.  I don't think it really played much of a role in the ejections, but was curious what was up there.

[Velho]

1 hour ago, zoops said:

I went back and watched the top of 1 looking for what the beef was with the LSU 3rd base coach.  You could tell the pitcher was upset with something he did during the last at bat of the inning, but I couldn't tell what it was. 

I think LSU 3B coach was picking up CC F1's pitches and giving signs to the LSU batters.

[Velho]

Not arguing it should or shouldn't have been used here but we need an intermediate penalty with teeth like technical foul or 15 yard unsportsmanlike. What would be so wrong with an Offensive out penalty?

[grayhawk]

3 hours ago, Velho said:

I think LSU 3B coach was picking up CC F1's pitches and giving signs to the LSU batters.

Well, that's what CCU's F1 thought he was doing. There's no evidence that he was actually doing It.

[Velho]

1 hour ago, grayhawk said:

4 hours ago, Velho said:

I think LSU 3B coach was picking up CC F1's pitches and giving signs to the LSU batters.

Well, that's what CCU's F1 thought he was doing. There's no evidence that he was actually doing It.

Correct (I didn't hear any trashcans myself).

Thanks for clarifying.

[cjroman]

The Coastal coach's behavior was no different than that of a misinformed travel ball coach...and it needs to be better, first game of the year, or the last. He ran himself. 

[Richvee]

16 hours ago, cjroman said:

The Coastal coach's behavior was no different than that of a misinformed travel ball coach...and it needs to be better, first game of the year, or the last. He ran himself. 

And his post game press conference was an embarrassment of ignorant comments, misinformation, and flat out falsehoods of what took place. 

[cjroman]

The presser was hilarious...he made himself look even more foolish. 

[BLWizzRanger]

 

Every Umpire afterwards:

[Umpire in Chief]

I've been following the CWS this year and particularly the Chants since eliminating ECU, but was away for these 2 games. 

First, I really respect Coach Schnall and Coastal Carolina, they really stand out as a class act, the coaches, players and fans every time they come to East Carolina win or lose. In 2022 ECU was the host of the Regionals, and beat them, everyone concerned were amazing, humble and very professional. So much so that it stood out.  This year we hosted them for a series and lost 2 of the 3 and the same thing, very classy - I was at the Saturday game only. 

And look at the stance he took against Florida's coach and team at the Regionals this year in Conway when they were acting like complete D-bags.

That said the coach ultimately should have absolutely ejected for arguing balls and strikes. But I also think the warning and EJ came really quick.

Initially it was reported that the suspension was for the "bump" and when the "bumped" official got up he signals 2. There was no bump. Plain and simple. 

Now the narrative is the suspension is for prolonged arguing. 

Towards the end of the video you see him raising the 2 fingers, and I'll take that as prolonged arguing. Now people on SM are saying the prolonged was about the bump suspension. And since there was no bump that he shouldn't have been suspended for prolonged arguing something that didn't happen. In spirit I agree, but at some point you need to give up and let your AD and the NCAA hash it out. 

Class act or not, he deserved the ej and suspension, but the optics of the whole situation for the umpires looked really bad IMO.

 

And we all know assistant coaches are like children - meant to be seen and not heard. So he was an easy one.

[BLWizzRanger]

6 minutes ago, Umpire in Chief said:

I've been following the CWS this year and particularly the Chants since eliminating ECU, but was away for these 2 games. 

First, I really respect Coach Schnall and Coastal Carolina, they really stand out as a class act, the coaches, players and fans every time they come to East Carolina win or lose. In 2022 ECU was the host of the Regionals, and beat them, everyone concerned were amazing, humble and very professional. So much so that it stood out.  This year we hosted them for a series and lost 2 of the 3 and the same thing, very classy - I was at the Saturday game only. 

And look at the stance he took against Florida's coach and team at the Regionals this year in Conway when they were acting like complete D-bags.

That said the coach ultimately should have absolutely ejected for arguing balls and strikes. But I also think the warning and EJ came really quick.

Initially it was reported that the suspension was for the "bump" and when the "bumped" official got up he signals 2. There was no bump. Plain and simple. 

Now the narrative is the suspension is for prolonged arguing. 

Towards the end of the video you see him raising the 2 fingers, and I'll take that as prolonged arguing. Now people on SM are saying the prolonged was about the bump suspension. And since there was no bump that he shouldn't have been suspended for prolonged arguing something that didn't happen. In spirit I agree, but at some point you need to give up and let your AD and the NCAA hash it out. 

Class act or not, he deserved the ej and suspension, but the optics of the whole situation for the umpires looked really bad IMO.

No qualms with what you are saying, however, could the initial flash of '2' be for prolonged arguing at that point?  He did chase after the HP after he left the dugout, got tossed, and had to be rodeo'ed.  That seems plausible, doesn't it?

[grayhawk]

53 minutes ago, BLWizzRanger said:

No qualms with what you are saying, however, could the initial flash of '2' be for prolonged arguing at that point?  He did chase after the HP after he left the dugout, got tossed, and had to be rodeo'ed.  That seems plausible, doesn't it?

I think the initial "2" was for the bump, but physical "abuse" of an official (which includes a bump) is a 4 game suspension, not 2. It's possible in the heat of the moment, the umpire forgot that part. There was another "2" by a different umpire later, which had to be for prolonged. In NCAA, there is no getting your money's worth. Once ejected, the offender is supposed to leave the field immediately. Of course, we do allow some leniency on this, but he went too far.

[Richvee]

I'll give you the optics of the umpire rushing in to play rodeo clown was bad. I think he rushed in too fast...(maybe the situation got the best of him), then the unfortunate trip, (which brought on another set of emotions including some embarrassment) that perhaps led to him acting hastily. Just an unfortunate series of events for him. 

[BigBlue4u]

3 hours ago, Richvee said:

I'll give you the optics of the umpire rushing in to play rodeo clown was bad. I think he rushed in too fast...(maybe the situation got the best of him), then the unfortunate trip, (which brought on another set of emotions including some embarrassment) that perhaps led to him acting hastily. Just an unfortunate series of events for him.

A couple of thoughts:  1) I was told many years ago by a major league umpire not to run to a confrontation.  Running builds up the tension.  Walking is a calming influence plus it gives one more time to think about what to do once he arrives at the scene.  2) It never ceases to amaze me how social media posters always have a reason:  The umpire over-reacted, the umpire has a short fuse, the umpire has a "Little Man Complex." blah, blah, blah. Well, here's some news.  The coaches were warned.  In my book, anything that happens after a coach has been warned is on the coach.  Period!