Velho Posted January 2 Report Posted January 2 Some steps forward (jewelry and helmet stickers allowed) some back (no batting thumb protectors) https://www.littleleague.org/news/rule-and-regulation-updates-for-2025-little-league-season-announced/ Updates to Tournament Tie Game Rule Directly impacting Tournament Rule 14, this change eliminates playing the seventh inning (Intermediate/Junior/Senior League: eighth inning) as normal for all tournament games that are tied after regulation. Now, the tiebreaker will begin immediately in the seventh inning (Intermediate/Junior/Senior League: eighth inning) by placing the player who is scheduled to bat last in that respective half inning on second base to begin each extra inning. Mandatory Play Removed in Senior League Beginning with the 2025 season, the Mandatory Play requirement does not apply to the Senior League Baseball or Senior League Softball Divisions of play. One-Way Electronic Devices to the Catcher As technology on and off the field continues to evolve, Little League has adjusted its Rule 3.17 in both baseball and softball to add an exception that permits a coach or manager to use one-way communication to the catcher while the team is on defense for the purpose of calling pitches. However, a manager or coach is prohibited from using the device to communicate with any other team member while on defense or any team member (including a manager or coach) while on offense, and a manager or coach shall not use the device outside the dugout/bench area. Updates to Pregame Equipment Inspections With adjustments made to both Rule 3.01 and Tournament Rule 3, the requirement for umpires to check equipment prior to the start of the game has been removed, placing responsibility for legal and proper equipment on the manager. Apparel and Equipment Regulations Along with the changes to team rules and regulations as outlined above, additional adjustments and clarifications have been made for individual player apparel and equipment, including: Bat Modifications/Alterations: Clarifies that products, such as, but not limited to, choke-knobs, choke-up assists, or thumb protectors are considered alterations to the bat and are not permitted. Pitcher’s Undershirt (Softball Only): Clarifies that any part of the pitcher’s undershirt or T-Shirt exposed to view cannot be the same color of the ball being used in the game. Neoprene Sleeves (Baseball Only): Permits neoprene sleeves to be worn without being covered by an undershirt, provided the neoprene sleeve is a solid color and not white or gray. Jewelry: Removes Rule 1.11(j) to remove the requirement that jewelry, other than medical alert, should be removed, permitting jewelry to be worn. Items Worn on Hands/Wrists: Clarifies that a pitcher may wear items on the glove hand, wrist, or arm (non-pitching arm) of a solid single color, provided it is not the same color as the ball being used in the game. Helmet Stickers: Permits the use of helmet stickers or decals, provided that such usage is not excessive, is not offensive, and does not make inappropriate references, such as that to drugs or alcohol. Approved Substances on Pitching Hand/Fingers (Softball Only): Clarifies non-approved substances on the pitching hand or fingers versus the use of approved substances under the judgement of the umpire.
SeeingEyeDog Posted January 2 Report Posted January 2 What's the beef with "thumb-protectors"? I have this as an alteration to the thumb, not the bat...is there a competitive advantage to wearing a thumb-protector? Does this mean the hand is part of the bat now? So many questions... ~Dawg
BLWizzRanger Posted January 2 Report Posted January 2 4 minutes ago, SeeingEyeDog said: What's the beef with "thumb-protectors"? I have this as an alteration to the thumb, not the bat...is there a competitive advantage to wearing a thumb-protector? Does this mean the hand is part of the bat now? So many questions... ~Dawg I was wondering the same. I would think it would be a protective item. And, I wouldn't think it would be any worse than oven mitts even though mitts aren't bat related... But it does open up the market for this type of protection sewn into batting gloves. 1
SeeingEyeDog Posted January 2 Report Posted January 2 27 minutes ago, BLWizzRanger said: I was wondering the same. I would think it would be a protective item. And, I wouldn't think it would be any worse than oven mitts even though mitts aren't bat related... But it does open up the market for this type of protection sewn into batting gloves. Maybe I am not understanding the context...it's definitely under "Bat Modifications/Alterations" so, are there thumb-protectors that attach to the bat? I just presumed they were referring to those foam donuts batters wear around their thumbs... ~Dawg
834k3r Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 Frankly, I think the elimination of umpire equipment inspections is the most under-rated change here. Every year I worked LL at the state and district levels I found at least one bat that was dented or bent. You mean to tell me the coaches are suddenly going to catch those bats and remove them voluntarily? I also 100% guarantee a coach will have a player or two step into the box with a non-certified bat, banking on no one noticing. I do not like the direction this is going. Sounds like I picked the right year to stop doing LL. 1 1
Velho Posted January 3 Author Report Posted January 3 Here is an expanded version with rules references for those interested in details. https://www.littleleague.org/playing-rules/rule-changes/ Those I found of note not in the original list were - the "at-bat experience" as we called it locally - the first at bat doesn't have other include running the bases if doing CBO. - explicitly clarifying that you can use 2 courtesy runners with 2 outs for both F1 and F2
Velho Posted January 3 Author Report Posted January 3 5 hours ago, 834k3r said: I also 100% guarantee a coach will have a player or two step into the box with a non-certified bat, banking on no one noticing. Yep. Having this handy is key (not noted below but they also lose an adult base coach): PENALTY: If illegal equipment is used during the game, the manager of the team will be ejected from the game and the player who used the illegal equipment will also be ejected from the game. Both the manager and the player who used the illegal equipment will be suspended for their team’s next physically played game and may not be in attendance at the game site. This includes pregame and postgame activities.
834k3r Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 34 minutes ago, Velho said: Yep. Having this handy is key (not noted below but they also lose an adult base coach): PENALTY: If illegal equipment is used during the game, the manager of the team will be ejected from the game and the player who used the illegal equipment will also be ejected from the game. Both the manager and the player who used the illegal equipment will be suspended for their team’s next physically played game and may not be in attendance at the game site. This includes pregame and postgame activities. So...putting the responsibility back on the local league to enforce it. Why are we not having the umpires check the equipment again?
JonnyCat Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 3 hours ago, 834k3r said: Why are we not having the umpires check the equipment again? Not directed at you or anyone in particular. Just venting. Because it put the onus of responsibility and liability on the umpire. Umpires have limited contact with equipment, and frankly, it's not their responsibility. I hated checking equipment in every LL game I have ever done, and I'm glad it's gone. No other organization to my knowledge has umpires do equipment checks. LL just did it to cover their ass against liability. Putting that on mostly volunteer umpires was always a chicken SH*# move in my eyes. BTW, no where in 3.01 does it explicitly say that umpires must check gear. We never should have had to do that. And don't try to stretch the verbiage of 3.01(a), saying that umpires are required to enforce strict observance of all rules. Please. Male players must wear athletic supporters (rule 1.17). Are we checking for those? Good riddance to that F*#Ked up requirement. 3 1
The Man in Blue Posted January 5 Report Posted January 5 I don't have LL around here, but the last ones I knew of were NFHS Softball and USA Softball. Thankfully, both have dropped it. It was rare to go through an inspection and NOT toss multiple pieces of equipment each game. It was frustrating in tournaments to toss the same piece of equipment every time you had a team. Thankfully, one venue I worked began confiscating it when we tossed it. They could get it back when they no longer had any games left. 1
eddieq Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 Slight tangent, but one youth softball league I used to call had this one team that everyone knew. The coaches were problems and the coach's kids were problems. As I walked up for a regular weeknight game, I heard the one coach say to his kid, "Put that one away, this guy checks." 1 2
ArchAngel72 Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 I do know this if a bat gets checked during a game because the opposing team asks What you want to bet LL will NOT toss out the kid and the coach? 1
Velho Posted June 2 Author Report Posted June 2 Reminds me, had a bat knob (the tapered kind that I speculate initiated the rule change) the other night. Luckily one of our crew had just been in San Bernardino and got verbal direction to warn and allow removal vs out, EJ, EJ. Was good not to have to do all that. Though, the kid only had one foot in the box when I caught it anyway. 😉
ArchAngel72 Posted June 5 Report Posted June 5 On 6/2/2025 at 9:45 AM, Velho said: Reminds me, had a bat knob (the tapered kind that I speculate initiated the rule change) the other night. Luckily one of our crew had just been in San Bernardino and got verbal direction to warn and allow removal vs out, EJ, EJ. Was good not to have to do all that. Though, the kid only had one foot in the box when I caught it anyway. 😉 This right here is what gets me about LL, They make rules stick them in the book and then tell us DO NOT ENFORCE IT. Makes Zero sense. I mean I get that rule mostly but damned if they would just write it like they want it enforced, and I mean enforced at the playoff level when they are on TV cause that's all that really matters is the image on TV of how a rule is enforced. 1 1 1
Velho Posted June 5 Author Report Posted June 5 47 minutes ago, ArchAngel72 said: This right here is what gets me about LL, They make rules stick them in the book and then tell us DO NOT ENFORCE IT. Makes Zero sense. I mean I get that rule mostly but damned if they would just write it like they want it enforced, and I mean enforced at the playoff level when they are on TV cause that's all that really matters is the image on TV of how a rule is enforced. 1 2
Velho Posted June 5 Author Report Posted June 5 1 hour ago, ArchAngel72 said: On 6/2/2025 at 6:45 AM, Velho said: Was good not to have to do all that. Though, the kid only had one foot in the box when I caught it anyway. 😉 This right here is what gets me about LL, They make rules stick them in the book and then tell us DO NOT ENFORCE IT. Couple adds since we had our District postseason kickoff meeting yesterday: - One of the league UICs told me there was written guidance that made bat knobs a removal without penalty. Best I can find after hunting, I think that's alluding to how the language classifies them as 'alterations' vs 'illegal bats' since they are both touched on but not epxclityl clear and altered bat is an illegal bat but the definition section points to a single penalty (of course the penalty section still only talks about illegal bats 🙄 but saying it doesn't apply to the alterations is silly). - Rereading everything, I realized my 'one foot in' get out of jail free card was no good. Once a better steps into the box with 'one or both feet entirely on the ground' the penalty applies. - District UIC confirmed to simply remove the bat until it is no longer altered, i.e. it can be used after the knob comes off.
BigBlue4u Posted June 5 Report Posted June 5 On 1/3/2025 at 2:07 PM, 834k3r said: Why are we not having the umpires check the equipment again? Probably because it's a waste of time. When umpires were required to check bats, it often became a treasure hunt since questionable bats were often found in the corner of the dugout, under equipment bags, etc. 2
Velho Posted June 5 Author Report Posted June 5 6 minutes ago, BigBlue4u said: On 1/3/2025 at 2:07 PM, 834k3r said: Why are we not having the umpires check the equipment again? Probably because it's a waste of time. When umpires were required to check bats, it often became a treasure hunt since questionable bats were often found in the corner of the dugout, under equipment bags, etc. True. At the same time, we found a fair bit of unsafe helmets (but also a lot of borderline ones so I don't miss not having to judge and deal with those). 2
The Man in Blue Posted June 6 Report Posted June 6 Once you have to check equipment, you find out how much useless and broken shi -- er, stuff, players carry with them. Two extra bats for batting practice/carrying in their backpack to hang shoes on, half of an extra catcher's helmet that is cracked and missing so many screws it could only be used for spare parts or growing fungus in the padding, another bat for batting practice, that other bat that they don't use . . . whose batting helmet is this? 1
BDad Posted June 7 Report Posted June 7 I'm hearing from national and regional instructors there's a difference between "illegal" equipment (i.e. illegal bat) and "improper" equipment. Illegal bat = batter out & ejected & eject mgr (Tournament Rule 3b), but improper equipment = warn, get rid of it, eject if it appears again. Improper equipment includes bat knob modifications and missing throat guards on catcher masks, for example. Of course, the rule book doesn't make this distinction yet, but I've heard (rumor only) that part of the reason there isn't a 2025 RIM is because all these changes are getting updated. YMMV. 1
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