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NY - Guardians, 10/15/24 OBS


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35 minutes ago, jimurrayalterego said:

Was the first OBS type 2 with no award required and the second was type 1 which is why they awarded 2B?

Yes. The runner appears to have been obstructed twice on the same play. 

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This one will have the social media umpires completely certain about what the call should be clueless about anything having to do with obstruction.

That being said, can we enter Social Media Umpires (SMU's) into the official lexicon of Umpire Empire?

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I’m thinking for sure two obstructions there. No way you  give BR 2B on the first one rounding  1b. Coming back, that’s a one base award. 
(Wow. Two MLB guys in the booth.  you’d think someone would have at least known it’s not interference.)🙄

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14 hours ago, Richvee said:

I’m thinking for sure two obstructions there. No way you  give BR 2B on the first one rounding  1b. Coming back, that’s a one base award. 
(Wow. Two MLB guys in the booth.  you’d think someone would have at least known it’s not interference.)🙄

Why know it's obstruction now? It's only the end of the season?

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20 hours ago, Richvee said:

I’m thinking for sure two obstructions there. No way you  give BR 2B on the first one rounding  1b. Coming back, that’s a one base award. 

 

That just feels bass-ackwards (but I know it is right).  

Now, here is an argument (just for fun): with a runner on the move and reaching third base, we don't know if that play might have gone home, in which case the obstructed runner would have been headed for second.  Since the initial obstruction held him up, it altered the play . . . Would you buy that?  Or would you want to see the runner headed home before you would see it that way?

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3 hours ago, The Man in Blue said:

 

That just feels bass-ackwards (but I know it is right).  

Now, here is an argument (just for fun): with a runner on the move and reaching third base, we don't know if that play might have gone home, in which case the obstructed runner would have been headed for second.  Since the initial obstruction held him up, it altered the play . . . Would you buy that?  Or would you want to see the runner headed home before you would see it that way?

If I’m following your hypothetical correctly, the way I see that, I’m not awarding him home if he’s thrown out. He was never affected by the obstruction. If he started home, I’d assume the second obstruction never happens because the throw would go home. In that case, if the BR continues to 2B he would probably be awarded that base if a following throw from home gunned  him out at 2B. 

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12 hours ago, Richvee said:

If I’m following your hypothetical correctly, the way I see that, I’m not awarding him home if he’s thrown out. He was never affected by the obstruction. If he started home, I’d assume the second obstruction never happens because the throw would go home. In that case, if the BR continues to 2B he would probably be awarded that base if a following throw from home gunned  him out at 2B. 


That is what I was getting at.  Was the potential throw home “subverted” or diverted because of the opportunity to throw out the obstructed runner?

No, there is no way I am awarding the runner home, so don’t think I am going there.

I am throwing out there this: in other codes (NOT OBR), they view it as the first obstruction potentially changed the play (in ways we cannot know), so the award is given on that one.

 

My bass-ackwards comment is based on the counter-intuitive feeling of not being awarded second when going that way, but then being awarded second when headed back to first.  I get it under the rules; it just feels weird.

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