jimurrayalterego Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 Was the first OBS type 2 with no award required and the second was type 1 which is why they awarded 2B? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSam21 Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 35 minutes ago, jimurrayalterego said: Was the first OBS type 2 with no award required and the second was type 1 which is why they awarded 2B? Yes. The runner appears to have been obstructed twice on the same play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maven Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimurrayalterego Posted October 15 Author Report Share Posted October 15 1 hour ago, maven said: Thread is restricted to umpfans who watch the postseason. Nevermind, everyone is cutting the cable and MLB divvies up the postseason to some that might not be on your streaming service. Mute before watching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Carl Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 It's also one of the highlights in the game recap on mlb.com https://www.mlb.com/gameday/775314/video/tim-hill-in-play-no-out-to-brayan-rocchio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grayhawk Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 This one will have the social media umpires completely certain about what the call should be clueless about anything having to do with obstruction. That being said, can we enter Social Media Umpires (SMU's) into the official lexicon of Umpire Empire? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLWizzRanger Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 What? No arguing that the BR intentually ran into the F1 both times? He could have avoided the contact.Sent from my SM-F721U1 using Tapatalk 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richvee Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 I’m thinking for sure two obstructions there. No way you give BR 2B on the first one rounding 1b. Coming back, that’s a one base award. (Wow. Two MLB guys in the booth. you’d think someone would have at least known it’s not interference.)🙄 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umpstu Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 14 hours ago, Richvee said: I’m thinking for sure two obstructions there. No way you give BR 2B on the first one rounding 1b. Coming back, that’s a one base award. (Wow. Two MLB guys in the booth. you’d think someone would have at least known it’s not interference.)🙄 Why know it's obstruction now? It's only the end of the season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richvee Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 2 hours ago, umpstu said: Why know it's obstruction now? It's only the end of the season? Silly of me to expect anything else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man in Blue Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 On 10/15/2024 at 6:55 PM, BLWizzRanger said: What? No arguing that the BR intentually ran into the F1 both times? He could have avoided the contact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man in Blue Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 20 hours ago, Richvee said: I’m thinking for sure two obstructions there. No way you give BR 2B on the first one rounding 1b. Coming back, that’s a one base award. That just feels bass-ackwards (but I know it is right). Now, here is an argument (just for fun): with a runner on the move and reaching third base, we don't know if that play might have gone home, in which case the obstructed runner would have been headed for second. Since the initial obstruction held him up, it altered the play . . . Would you buy that? Or would you want to see the runner headed home before you would see it that way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richvee Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 3 hours ago, The Man in Blue said: That just feels bass-ackwards (but I know it is right). Now, here is an argument (just for fun): with a runner on the move and reaching third base, we don't know if that play might have gone home, in which case the obstructed runner would have been headed for second. Since the initial obstruction held him up, it altered the play . . . Would you buy that? Or would you want to see the runner headed home before you would see it that way? If I’m following your hypothetical correctly, the way I see that, I’m not awarding him home if he’s thrown out. He was never affected by the obstruction. If he started home, I’d assume the second obstruction never happens because the throw would go home. In that case, if the BR continues to 2B he would probably be awarded that base if a following throw from home gunned him out at 2B. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man in Blue Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 12 hours ago, Richvee said: If I’m following your hypothetical correctly, the way I see that, I’m not awarding him home if he’s thrown out. He was never affected by the obstruction. If he started home, I’d assume the second obstruction never happens because the throw would go home. In that case, if the BR continues to 2B he would probably be awarded that base if a following throw from home gunned him out at 2B. That is what I was getting at. Was the potential throw home “subverted” or diverted because of the opportunity to throw out the obstructed runner? No, there is no way I am awarding the runner home, so don’t think I am going there. I am throwing out there this: in other codes (NOT OBR), they view it as the first obstruction potentially changed the play (in ways we cannot know), so the award is given on that one. My bass-ackwards comment is based on the counter-intuitive feeling of not being awarded second when going that way, but then being awarded second when headed back to first. I get it under the rules; it just feels weird. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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