Time Called on attempted steal of home?

[J in OP]

On Tuesday, the Mariners Victor Robles made a baserunning blunder trying to steal home with a 3-0 count on the batter and bases loaded. He was thrown out at home. Bad choice. But I am hoping someone can help me with mechanics of the plate umpire, who was holding his right hand up in the air as the steal began.  I would have thought this was an indication that time was out. Is it something else?  I do not know how to post a screen shot, or I would post a picture of it.  I am a longtime reader of this site, so I figured this was the place to go with my question!  Thanks!

[Richvee]

Plate ump's hand is up. For us, that's usually a "do not pitch" while a batter getting ready and the pitcher looks like he's ready to throw. That's "time" in our games. That's not the case for the hand up here. For pitch clock games, I think that's more of a signal not to start the pitch clock yet and not actually "time". I could be 100% wrong here. Maybe Seattle was just too embarrassed to challenge given the stupidity of the attempt in that situation?

[Jimurray]

4 minutes ago, Richvee said:

Plate ump's hand is up. For us, that's usually a "do not pitch" while a batter getting ready and the pitcher looks like he's ready to throw. That's "time" in our games. That's not the case for the hand up here. For pitch clock games, I think that's more of a signal not to start the pitch clock yet and not actually "time". I could be 100% wrong here. Maybe Seattle was just too embarrassed to challenge given the stupidity of the attempt in that situation?

Seattle manager came out and asked. He bought whatever the PU was selling. Before the pitch clock a hand up made the ball dead in all three codes. Like you say, we don't what it means with the pitch clock. PU had his hand up while pitcher was not even looking or on the rubber so it probably has to do with clock.

[MadMax]

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/745205/video/luis-gil-throws-out-victor-robles-at-home

In the pro game, with the presence of the pitch clock, the ball remains Live near-constantly. Off a dead ball (foul, ball changed out, etc.) as soon as the F1 has the (new) ball, and is engaged to the rubber, the ball is Live. The F1 is subject to balk restrictions and to disengagement count limits. The clock also starts. Conversely, the Batter is operating within that clock, too, and only certain events can reset that clock (for the Batter). The Batter is allowed 1 reset. The ball remains Live for that reset. 

Gil (SP for Yankees) threw up and in to Turner (B for Mariners) to make it 3-0. Gil had received the throw back from Wells, and Turner merely elected to use his clock reset. That’s what the PU (a very dapper PC-wearin’ Rehak) had his hand up for – to pause / reset the clock. The ball remained Live, Robles (R3) breaks for home, and Gil throws to Wells to get him. 

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Now, what would have been super intriguing, had Gil already disengaged twice during Turner’s AB, and had he re-engaged following that reception of the ball from the brushback pitch; Robles breaks, Gil steps off, that’s the third disengagement. All Robles would have to do is return (safely) back to 3B, and he would have been awarded HP on the resulting Balk call. As it was, Gil did get Robles out, so it’s ignored anyway (disregarded? Heh… “devoided”?) 

 

[834k3r]

On 9/20/2024 at 9:47 AM, Richvee said:

Plate ump's hand is up. For us, that's usually a "do not pitch" while a batter getting ready and the pitcher looks like he's ready to throw. That's "time" in our games. That's not the case for the hand up here. For pitch clock games, I think that's more of a signal not to start the pitch clock yet and not actually "time". I could be 100% wrong here. Maybe Seattle was just too embarrassed to challenge given the stupidity of the attempt in that situation?

Welcome to the sad, sad life of a Mariners fan.

[Velho]

17 minutes ago, 834k3r said:

Welcome to the sad, sad life of a Mariners fan.

Yep. But at least we have the Soni.... oh, never mind.

[The Man in Blue]

I was expecting something different . . . I've shared the story before about calling time before you brush the plate off.

After game 1 of a double header, I ask my partner if he has anything for me.  He says, "Just a question . . . why do you always call time before brushing off the plate?"  I say something along the lines of "Because me turning my back does not make an automatic time out."  He shrugs.

Game 2, he is behind the plate.  He comes out to brush off the plate at one point. One sweep, two sweep, and . . . yep, here comes the runner from third because the pitcher and catcher quit paying attention.  A mild brouhaha erupts, and we end up getting together as I try to stifle the laughter.  "That's why I call time."

With no call of time or reason the ball should have been dead, the run stood.

To this day, I wonder if the coach overheard the conversation and decided to try it.

[834k3r]

12 hours ago, The Man in Blue said:

I was expecting something different . . . I've shared the story before about calling time before you brush the plate off.

After game 1 of a double header, I ask my partner if he has anything for me.  He says, "Just a question . . . why do you always call time before brushing off the plate?"  I say something along the lines of "Because me turning my back does not make an automatic time out."  He shrugs.

Game 2, he is behind the plate.  He comes out to brush off the plate at one point. One sweep, two sweep, and . . . yep, here comes the runner from third because the pitcher and catcher quit paying attention.  A mild brouhaha erupts, and we end up getting together as I try to stifle the laughter.  "That's why I call time."

With no call of time or reason the ball should have been dead, the run stood.

To this day, I wonder if the coach overheard the conversation and decided to try it.

I read somewhere (I don't remember where) that umps should not call time when brushing off the plate. So I tried it.

Game 2 of my experiment, and that same thing happened to me. I've called time when brushing off the plate ever since.

[JonnyCat]

23 hours ago, 834k3r said:

I read somewhere (I don't remember where) that umps should not call time when brushing off the plate. So I tried it.

Yeah, I've read and had that discussion, too.

Overly obnoxious umpire: "You don't need to call time when brushing off the plate. It's wastes valuable game time. Don't do it!" 

Me: "It literally takes one second to call time."

[The Man in Blue]

… and another second to put the ball back in play.

How many guys don’t call time to brush the plate, and then walk back around and hold their hand up?  🤔

[beerguy55]

On 9/25/2024 at 9:41 AM, 834k3r said:

I read somewhere (I don't remember where) that umps should not call time when brushing off the plate. So I tried it.

 

On 9/26/2024 at 9:01 AM, JonnyCat said:

Yeah, I've read and had that discussion, too.

Overly obnoxious umpire: "You don't need to call time when brushing off the plate. It's wastes valuable game time. Don't do it!" 

Me: "It literally takes one second to call time."

I just don't understand how anyone could support the notion (whether you're solo or a four-man crew) of turning your back to the field when the ball is live.

Isn't the prime directive to always be watching...the ball, the players, the play?

[JonnyCat]

1 hour ago, beerguy55 said:

I just don't understand how anyone could support the notion (whether you're solo or a four-man crew) of turning your back to the field when the ball is live.

Exactly! What is the point of not calling time? For me it's just one motion. Wait for play to be relaxed, call time while walking out to brush off the plate. Then put ball back in play. Seems like a no-brainer. And it doesn't take any more time at all.

I, too, don't know where this notion came from. It's fine with me if you don't want to do it in your games, knock yourself out, but don't tell others not to do it. 

 

[834k3r]

5 hours ago, JonnyCat said:

Exactly! What is the point of not calling time? For me it's just one motion. Wait for play to be relaxed, call time while walking out to brush off the plate. Then put ball back in play. Seems like a no-brainer. And it doesn't take any more time at all.

I, too, don't know where this notion came from. It's fine with me if you don't want to do it in your games, knock yourself out, but don't tell others not to do it.