Lindsay Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 3B Umpire Dan Iassogna ejected Astros pitching coach Joshua Miller (Replay decision: HBP call) in the bottom of the 9th inning of the #Astros-#Angels game. With none out and one on, Angels batter Mickey Moniak attempted to check his swing on a 1-2 sinker from Astros pitcher Caleb Ferguson, ruled a hit-by-pitch by HP Umpire CB Bucknor and affirmed as no swing on appeal by 3B Umpire Iassogna. Upon Replay Review as a result of a challenge by Angels manager Ron Washington, HP Umpire Bucknor's foul ball call was overturned to a hit-by-pitch. Replays indicate the pitch hit Moniak's hand, the call was correct. At the time of the ejection, the Astros were leading, 6-1. The Astros ultimately won the contest, 6-4.This is Dan Iassogna (58)'s 3rd ejection of 2024.This is the 172nd ejection report of the 2024 MLB regular season.This is the 28th coach ejection of 2024. Ejection Tally: 86 Managers, 28 Coaches, 58 Players.This is Houston's 10th ejection of 2024, 1st in the AL West (HOU 10; OAK 8; SEA 7; LAA, TEX 6).This is Joshua Miller's first career MLB ejection.This is Dan Iassogna's 3rd ejection of 2024, 1st since May 2 (James Rowson; QOC = Y [Balls/Strikes]).Wrap: Houston Astros vs Los Angeles Angels, 9/15/24 | Video as follows:Alternate Link: Iassogna ejects assistant coach Miller continuing to profanely argue check swing HBPView the full article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumbdumb Posted September 17 Report Share Posted September 17 so, this means on all check swings (although i guess it has been this way since 1880? or whatever) the umpire on the line is parsing the exact moment when that check swing goes to0 far and is a swing while also getting that exact instance the batter is hit with the pitch. if the bat is far enough to call check swing a strike, before the ball hits the batter it is a strike. if the ball hits the batter before the bat gets far enough to call the check swing a strike then it is a HBP. good luck on having the eyes judge the two separate points at the same time. oh yea, and if in the umpires judgement it is a tie situation, does the offense get the benefit of the tie situation or does the defense get the benefit of he tie situation. believe by rule in book (maybe not, or maybe not now versus in days gone by) there are 2 different situations and interpretations of a tie going to the runner or not after a ball that is hit. in one situation a tie goes to the offense and in another situation the tie goes to the defense. seems like one is the batter running to first and a tie, and the other situation is the runner on 1st running to 2nd and a tie on that runner. very interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimurray Posted September 17 Report Share Posted September 17 21 minutes ago, dumbdumb said: believe by rule in book (maybe not, or maybe not now versus in days gone by) there are 2 different situations and interpretations of a tie going to the runner or not after a ball that is hit. in one situation a tie goes to the offense and in another situation the tie goes to the defense. seems like one is the batter running to first and a tie, and the other situation is the runner on 1st running to 2nd and a tie on that runner. very interesting OBR resolved that issue. FED and NCAA have not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumbdumb Posted September 17 Report Share Posted September 17 58 minutes ago, Jimurray said: OBR resolved that issue. FED and NCAA have not. but what about a tie in the check swing/hbp happening simultaneously situation. hbp or strike in all rule sets, mlb, ncaa and fed. nobody worries about which way it is to be called, just tell us how that tie/simultaneous situation is to be ruled. one way or the other. no mamby pampy. it isnt that tough for the powers that be to make a decision for us to use. somebody will be unhappy either way, unless it happens the same number of times in each game to both teams in the same game. how about an arrow situation. home team gets the first tie situation to their advantage and visitors the 2nd tie situation to their advantage. kinda like jump ball arrow in basketball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grayhawk Posted September 17 Report Share Posted September 17 For me, I'm judging the full motion of his swing and not trying to figure out how much of it was after he got hit. I've got a swing in the video in the OP. I don't like doing unnecessary EJ reports. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agdz59 Posted September 18 Report Share Posted September 18 6 hours ago, dumbdumb said: but what about a tie in the check swing/hbp happening simultaneously situation. I was taught the answer to this is that a tie is impossible. The umpire judges which happened first and that is that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimurray Posted September 18 Report Share Posted September 18 10 minutes ago, agdz59 said: I was taught the answer to this is that a tie is impossible. The umpire judges which happened first and that is that. So what has to happen first at 1B for the runner to be called safe or out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agdz59 Posted September 18 Report Share Posted September 18 11 hours ago, Jimurray said: So what has to happen first at 1B for the runner to be called safe or out? I settled on the runner's got to beat the throw. I liked outs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimurray Posted September 18 Report Share Posted September 18 21 minutes ago, agdz59 said: I settled on the runner's got to beat the throw. I liked outs. The rule is the throw or tag has to beat the runner but I doubt you will ever get grief or a protest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevis Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 22 hours ago, agdz59 said: I was taught the answer to this is that a tie is impossible. The umpire judges which happened first and that is that. It is. The notion of a tie requires "simultaneity in time." Special Relativity teaches us that such a concept requires a shared inertial reference frame. The fielder and runner (or batter-runner) are moving a different velocities, quite possibly both distinct from the umpire's, and thus simultaneity is impossible. That's Dr. Blue (Physics, University of Chicago) to you, coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumbdumb Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 3 hours ago, stevis said: It is. The notion of a tie requires "simultaneity in time." Special Relativity teaches us that such a concept requires a shared inertial reference frame. The fielder and runner (or batter-runner) are moving a different velocities, quite possibly both distinct from the umpire's, and thus simultaneity is impossible. That's Dr. Blue (Physics, University of Chicago) to you, coach. the only tie is the one you wear around your neck with a suit, or something you do to make a knot. pretty much the fact that horse racing backs up the physics. per googleing at betzillion dot com, since 1801 and all the horse racing that has gone on throughout the whole world, there have only been 64 dead heats. pretty much you are either out or safe, not both at the exact same moment in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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