Velho Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 Anyway that shouldn't have been called under bona fide requirements? (27 second mark) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richvee Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 Isn’t an effort to remain on the bag a requirement of the bona fide slide rule? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man in Blue Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 I would call the roll off the bag and into the fielder a violation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velho Posted August 17 Author Report Share Posted August 17 We don't have more angles (which, btw Tim Kurkijan thought the slide was, to paraphrase, "great since it's not something you get away with in MLB" (I'll grab the full video once I've completed handing my daughter off to college in the great state of Ohio 🥲) but you could grab it on violation of #3 or #4. A “bona fide slide” for purposes of Rule 6.01 occurs when the runner: (1) begins his slide (i.e., makes contact with the ground) before reaching the base; (2) is able and attempts to reach the base with his hand or foot (3) is able and attempts to remain on the base (except home plate) after completion of the slide; and (4) slides within reach of the base without changing his pathway for the purpose of initiating contact with a fielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richvee Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 A little off topic, but it doesn’t seem like LL is real interested in calling obstruction on a fielder fielding a throw with his foot blocking the runner’s slide to the base. I’ve seen a few plays this week where I found myself yelling and pointing at the TV “that’s obstruction” , only to have it never even mentioned or discussed🤷♂️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man in Blue Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 I’m sure they were only blocking a portion of the bag. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velho Posted August 18 Author Report Share Posted August 18 4 hours ago, Richvee said: I’ve seen a few plays this week where I found myself yelling and pointing at the TV “that’s obstruction” , only to have it never even mentioned or discussed I totally agree. They did finally call one yesterday(?) and then didn't call others in the same game. I've been cataloging since the Regionals. Will compile into a video once I get home from traveling next week. The announcers are as clueless as, well, baseball announcers. Production doesn't help since they barely replay - more interested in other stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimurray Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 50 minutes ago, Velho said: I totally agree. They did finally call one yesterday(?) and then didn't call others in the same game. I've been cataloging since the Regionals. Will compile into a video once I get home from traveling next week. The announcers are as clueless as, well, baseball announcers. Production doesn't help since they barely replay - more interested in other stuff. I have not seen any of these plays. But do we realize that LL has not adopted any changes to OBR in, I don't know how long. The current OBR OBS interp would not apply. Bona Fide slide might be how it was called when it wasn't called. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velho Posted August 18 Author Report Share Posted August 18 10 minutes ago, Jimurray said: But do we realize that LL has not adopted any changes to OBR in LL is highly restricted on OBS (and was before this year's OBR "POE"). By rule, fielder can't hinder, force a slide, or alter runner path because of the fielder's position. Period. It's not called this way in March. Nor in August apparently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimurray Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 39 minutes ago, Velho said: LL is highly restricted on OBS (and was before this year's OBR "POE"). By rule, fielder can't hinder, force a slide, or alter runner path because of the fielder's position. Period. It's not called this way in March. Nor in August apparently. Apparently they are not going by the RIM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLWizzRanger Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 On 8/17/2024 at 8:00 AM, Velho said: We don't have more angles (which, btw Tim Kurkijan thought the slide was, to paraphrase, "great since it's not something you get away with in MLB" (I'll grab the full video once I've completed handing my daughter off to college in the great state of Ohio 🥲) but you could grab it on violation of #3 or #4. A “bona fide slide” for purposes of Rule 6.01 occurs when the runner: (1) begins his slide (i.e., makes contact with the ground) before reaching the base; (2) is able and attempts to reach the base with his hand or foot (3) is able and attempts to remain on the base (except home plate) after completion of the slide; and (4) slides within reach of the base without changing his pathway for the purpose of initiating contact with a fielder. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richvee Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 22 hours ago, Jimurray said: I have not seen any of these plays. But do we realize that LL has not adopted any changes to OBR in, I don't know how long. The current OBR OBS interp would not apply. Bona Fide slide might be how it was called when it wasn't called. That's why I ask. I'm not very well versed in the nuances of the little league rule book. So I'm asking. Like I said, more than a few times the past few weeks I've found myself pointing at the TV during a live play and saying "That's Interference", or "That's Obstruction" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biscuit Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 I'm not saying this isn't a violation of the slide rule, but I'm not entirely sure it is wither. What I will throw in here is that a bona fide slide altered by contact with the fielder may create something that looks like an illegal slide but was not. If the sole reason that he was not able to maintain contact with the base is a direct consequence of the contact with the fielder, then my understanding is that the slide is legal, provided the other criteria are met. The way he comes off the bag leads me to believe that it was not solely due to the contact, and I could see you calling a violation of the 4th point, but I also don't think it's indefensible to not have a slide rule violation here. Hmm, that's a triple negative... I'll let y'all sort out that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
834k3r Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 On 8/18/2024 at 4:35 PM, BLWizzRanger said: "The only good thing you ever did was get hit by that train!" Great movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBlue4u Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 On 8/17/2024 at 7:52 PM, Velho said: LL is highly restricted on OBS (and was before this year's OBR "POE"). By rule, fielder can't hinder, force a slide, or alter runner path because of the fielder's position. Period. It's not called this way in March. Nor in August apparently. Too bad MLB doesn't adapt the above two bullet points. Blocking a runner's path, as the MLB rule now states is B.S. It should be as simple as stated in the above bullet points. If the fielder has the ball when the runner arrives, the runner is out. If the fielder does not have the ball when the runner arrives, it's obstruction. How much more simple can it be? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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