Crew Inform Each Other When Coaches Warned?

[Velho]

Had a 4 man the other day and during post game it came out that both myself (U3) and HPU had warned the same coach for his verbal complaints about balls & strikes. We were both at the "one more word from this guy and he's gone" point (which he didn't do).

When that came out postgame I had the thought that "if I had known he'd already been warned I'd have tossed him".

Thoughts? Do you let your partners know when you've warned a coach?

 

P.S. In a moment of karma, that team lost on a game ending F2-F6 backpick on a napping R2. R2 was the tying run.

[grayhawk]

Yes. It's important that the crew all be on the same page with respect to official warnings that have been given so that warnings are not stacked on top of warnings. I'm not talking about "That's enough," or "Knock it off." I mean, "This is your warning for xyz. If you continue to argue..." type of warnings. This is how it's done in NCAA. Not sure how warnings are issued where you're working.

[Tborze]

As U3, I’m not giving an official warning for arguing balls and strikes. 
Nor as U1 or U2. 
 

 

[Velho]

1 hour ago, grayhawk said:

This is how it's done in NCAA. Not sure how warnings are issued where you're working.

This was LL - though Seniors (16U). There isn't a formal documentation chain (which likely leads to giving too much leeway).

[Velho]

24 minutes ago, Tborze said:

As U3, I’m not giving an official warning for arguing balls and strikes. 
Nor as U1 or U2. 

Fair.

Reading the situation, game level, etc., when the base coach turned to me and said "hard to win 10 vs 9" after a ꓘ I chose to shut him down vs eject him.

[ArchAngel72]

As a rule if I have a partner and or partners I will make sure everyone knows if someone has a warning.  Or any other type of talk like that with a coach.

 

Ie I told them to move the batters box 10 yards further down the fence cause I thought where they set it up was too close. etc.

 

[The Man in Blue]

THE BATTER'S BOX?!     

[The Man in Blue]

5 hours ago, Velho said:

Fair.

Reading the situation, game level, etc., when the base coach turned to me and said "hard to win 10 vs 9" after a ꓘ I chose to shut him down vs eject him.

 

Not knowing the rest of the game atmosphere, I'll say probably the right call if that was it.  However I would have been itching to dump him on that one.

[Velho]

4 hours ago, The Man in Blue said:

Not knowing the rest of the game atmosphere, I'll say probably the right call if that was it

That was 5th inning and he stopped after I shut him down. First whining was 4th inning before (that was my I & A - "relax coach") it was after on way back to 1B dugout that he whined at HPU and got warned.

4 hours ago, The Man in Blue said:

However I would have been itching to dump him on that one.

Oh, I was waiting for one more thing from him. I could have a bit later but that's a whole different story that I'll get to later.

[UMP45]

32 minutes ago, Velho said:

That was 5th inning and he stopped after I shut him down. First whining was 4th inning before (that was my I & A - "relax coach") it was after on way back to 1B dugout that he whined at HPU and got warned.

Oh, I was waiting for one more thing from. I could have a bit later but that's a whole different story that I'll get to later.

I would have asked him if he was calling my partner a cheater. Then it's on him.

[SeeingEyeDog]

9 hours ago, Tborze said:

As U3, I’m not giving an official warning for arguing balls and strikes. 
Nor as U1 or U2. 
 

 

@Tborze, I would encourage you to re-think your process here...in spirit, I think we're all in agreement with this.

However, if you are ever working with a rookie or new-ish umpire, especially a minor, and they are getting static from a coach for arguing balls and strikes...we take care of each other out there. Please step in and issue a warning or perform whatever game management/verbal judo you need to do to shut it down. #TheBrotherhood

~Dawg

[JSam21]

Everyone should know that a warning has been issued. If the ball is live, call time, "This is your warning, if you continue I will be forced to eject your from this game".  That way, everyone knows what is going on. There is zero reason to be discrete about it. 

[Tborze]

@SeeingEyeDog I didn’t say I wouldn’t address it. 
 

[The Man in Blue]

21 hours ago, JSam21 said:

Everyone should know that a warning has been issued. If the ball is live, call time, "This is your warning, if you continue I will be forced to eject your from this game".  That way, everyone knows what is going on. There is zero reason to be discrete about it. 

 

I'd say it is a matter of what works for you and a product of what the situation needs.  I am working to use "discreet" more often rather than a tactic that leads to escalation.  A coach is not going to say "You were right" because you bark louder.  You have to ask what is the goal of your interaction: are you just wanting him to shut up, or are you wanting him to get him to "enlightenment" (e.g., what the rule actually is, how his actions are detrimental). 

The reality is: a warning barked or yelled from the plate to the dugout is an aggressive act.  Sometimes that is indeed what is needed, sometimes not so much.  If you are just wanting to be the man in control, bark away.  If you are trying to keep your game on track, I would consider the approach.

I would rather assert my expertise than my dominance.

 

[JSam21]

31 minutes ago, The Man in Blue said:

 

I'd say it is a matter of what works for you and a product of what the situation needs.  I am working to use "discreet" more often rather than a tactic that leads to escalation.  A coach is not going to say "You were right" because you bark louder.  You have to ask what is the goal of your interaction: are you just wanting him to shut up, or are you wanting him to get him to "enlightenment" (e.g., what the rule actually is, how his actions are detrimental). 

The reality is: a warning barked or yelled from the plate to the dugout is an aggressive act.  Sometimes that is indeed what is needed, sometimes not so much.  If you are just wanting to be the man in control, bark away.  If you are trying to keep your game on track, I would consider the approach.

I would rather assert my expertise than my dominance.

 

It solely for the purposes of making sure the coach AND your partners know that a warning has been issued. There is no barking involved.