FranklinT Posted July 3, 2024 Report Posted July 3, 2024 Are these two related? Or is this a coincidence? Enjoy watching them both work. Quote
dumbdumb Posted July 3, 2024 Report Posted July 3, 2024 6 hours ago, FranklinT said: Are these two related? Or is this a coincidence? Enjoy watching them both work. yes they are. brothers. and before you ask, no, they would not be the first brothers. the welke brothers and the hirschbeck brothers precede them (maybe others). and for the nepotism people, no, both dimuro brothers did not make it (Ray, although he was a call up) nor the father son combo for the cobles. concerning nepotism. if that were in effect for all of baseball, we would have never have had joe and dom vince dimaggios, the alou family felipe, matty jesus, the bonds family barry and bobby and probably some other families as well. 1 Quote
The Man in Blue Posted July 3, 2024 Report Posted July 3, 2024 I wouldn't call it nepotism . . . but I think it illustrates the importance of access to resources and the importance of networking as a door opener. This is why we struggle to make our education system more equitable. The idea of the "family business" is a time-tested and well worn theory. Often it isn't even about special treatment, but just the access to learning and access to the profession or skill. When a family doesn't have to worry about keeping the lights on or wondering where the next meal is going to come from, it allows them to focus on higher levels of existence (Maslow's Hierarchy is an example of laying this out). Speaking generally (generic I, not me specifically): If I didn't have to go get a job at 14 to help my mom pay bills, I could have focused more on playing baseball. If I didn't live in a community where there was nobody to play baseball with or no space in my neighborhood to play, maybe I would have been introduced to baseball. (There is a reason basketball and soccer are very popular sports in poor communities . . . easy to emulate, minimal equipment, easy to practice skills on your own.) 3 Quote
umpstu Posted July 3, 2024 Report Posted July 3, 2024 45 minutes ago, The Man in Blue said: I wouldn't call it nepotism . . . but I think it illustrates the importance of access to resources and the importance of networking as a door opener. This is why we struggle to make our education system more equitable. The idea of the "family business" is a time-tested and well worn theory. Often it isn't even about special treatment, but just the access to learning and access to the profession or skill. When a family doesn't have to worry about keeping the lights on or wondering where the next meal is going to come from, it allows them to focus on higher levels of existence (Maslow's Hierarchy is an example of laying this out). Speaking generally (generic I, not me specifically): If I didn't have to go get a job at 14 to help my mom pay bills, I could have focused more on playing baseball. If I didn't live in a community where there was nobody to play baseball with or no space in my neighborhood to play, maybe I would have been introduced to baseball. (There is a reason basketball and soccer are very popular sports in poor communities . . . easy to emulate, minimal equipment, easy to practice skills on your own.) Truth. Teach the truth. Quote
Velho Posted July 3, 2024 Report Posted July 3, 2024 8 hours ago, dumbdumb said: concerning nepotism. what nepotism? 1 Quote
The Man in Blue Posted July 3, 2024 Report Posted July 3, 2024 Bronny? I'm assuming . . . I'm sorry, guys, I can only think of My Little Pony when I say "Bronny" . . . that kid can play. It's not like Bronny is 5'1" and 100 lbs. and signed that contract just because of who his dad is. But when dad is who he is, he gains access. He gains time, resources, and freedom to invest in becoming a basketball player. He is guided and developed by the world and environment around him. When you bank on someone's kid or someone's brother because of how they performed, you are betting more on that access to that world and environment. When the guy completely sucks, or does not have the mental/physical capacity to do the job, and you hire him because he is your family, that is nepotism. PS -- Bronny's lunch allowance is probably more than $2 million/year. Quote
johnnyg08 Posted July 4, 2024 Report Posted July 4, 2024 This is 100% not nepotism. Eric Trump having a big time job in the Trump organization is nepotism. In other news Jimenez did get what I believe to be his first MLB ejection on a painted called third. Quote
JonnyCat Posted July 4, 2024 Report Posted July 4, 2024 1 hour ago, johnnyg08 said: Eric Trump having a big time job in the Trump organization is nepotism. How come you didn't use the example of Hunter Biden getting a job with Burisma. Or is that not nepotism? Damnit, are we getting political again? I hate myself again!😁 2 1 Quote
johnnyg08 Posted July 4, 2024 Report Posted July 4, 2024 1 hour ago, JonnyCat said: How come you didn't use the example of Hunter Biden getting a job with Burisma. Or is that not nepotism? Damnit, are we getting political again? I hate myself again!😁 We are not. You are. It was simply an example and nothing more. I literally put zero thought into it. Lighten up Francis. Quote
JonnyCat Posted July 4, 2024 Report Posted July 4, 2024 8 hours ago, johnnyg08 said: We are not. You are. It was simply an example and nothing more. I literally put zero thought into it. Lighten up Francis. Really Johnny? Anyone with half a brain knows where you stand on the political spectrum. Don't try to bullSH*# me. You could have used a million other examples. As a moderator, you've railed on people for getting political, yet you bring up Trump. Practice what you preach. 1 Quote
BrainFreeze Posted July 8, 2024 Report Posted July 8, 2024 On 7/3/2024 at 11:07 PM, JonnyCat said: How come you didn't use the example of Hunter Biden getting a job with Burisma. Or is that not nepotism? Damnit, are we getting political again? I hate myself again!😁 You are correct. It's not nepotism. If Joe Biden owned Burisma, it could be nepotism. If there were any evidence that Brandon called a buddy at Burisma to hook Hunter up, that could also be nepotism. ' To be fair, Eric Trump having a prominent role in the Trump Org isn't really nepotism. It's a family company, no surprise that members of Trump's family run the business. He could have used tons of other examples of nepotism. For instance, if I'm a prominent public official, and I appoint my son-in-law -- who has no experience in government and who's own father went to prison for scummy SH*# -- as a special envoy to France. That would probably be nepotism. And when some French company forks over $2 billion to invest in my son-in-law's New York office building that's about to default? That's also probably nepotism, among other things. But that's a purely hypothetical example, no one could be so brazenly corrupt, could they? Quote
The Man in Blue Posted July 8, 2024 Report Posted July 8, 2024 Are we still talking nepotism or have we moved on to despotism? Power over 12 year olds' college and professional future always goes to our heads. Quote
JonnyCat Posted July 8, 2024 Report Posted July 8, 2024 1 hour ago, BrainFreeze said: You are correct. It's not nepotism. If Joe Biden owned Burisma, it could be nepotism. If there were any evidence that Brandon called a buddy at Burisma to hook Hunter up, that could also be nepotism. ' To be fair, Eric Trump having a prominent role in the Trump Org isn't really nepotism. It's a family company, no surprise that members of Trump's family run the business. He could have used tons of other examples of nepotism. For instance, if I'm a prominent public official, and I appoint my son-in-law -- who has no experience in government and who's own father went to prison for scummy SH*# -- as a special envoy to France. That would probably be nepotism. And when some French company forks over $2 billion to invest in my son-in-law's New York office building that's about to default? That's also probably nepotism, among other things. But that's a purely hypothetical example, no one could be so brazenly corrupt, could they? I'll make it easy on everyone who is wondering who you're talking about. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Kushner Now everyone can read about it all they want. Quote
Tborze Posted July 9, 2024 Report Posted July 9, 2024 Well damn, that conversation went LEFT in a hurry! 4 Quote
kylehutson Posted July 14, 2024 Report Posted July 14, 2024 Bringing this back away from politics and onto baseball... https://www.kwch.com/2024/07/12/longtime-mlb-umpire-holcomb-native-todd-tichenor-sharing-dream-with-son/ I've worked with Kaden. My first comment to him after him introducing himself was "Considering your name and where you're from, I'm guessing you have a hell of a mentor." He's a good kid, and I wish him the best. Quote
FranklinT Posted July 21, 2024 Author Report Posted July 21, 2024 On 7/14/2024 at 5:18 PM, kylehutson said: Bringing this back away from politics and onto baseball... https://www.kwch.com/2024/07/12/longtime-mlb-umpire-holcomb-native-todd-tichenor-sharing-dream-with-son/ I've worked with Kaden. My first comment to him after him introducing himself was "Considering your name and where you're from, I'm guessing you have a hell of a mentor." He's a good kid, and I wish him the best. Great find thank you Quote
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