dumbdumb Posted June 27 Report Share Posted June 27 here we go in the Atlanta Area with "Perfect Game". Guess they are not so perfect. https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/veteran-umpire-assaulted-coach-during-youth-championship-baseball-game https://www.wsbradio.com/news/local/police-investigating-coach-allegedly-punching-umpire-fulton-county-youth-baseball-game/DPFZNEO43FDW7E6MEF67QCACKQ/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grayhawk Posted June 27 Report Share Posted June 27 "While we intend to launch a full investigation into this incident, Perfect Game condemns any type of physical assault on an umpire or any other field personnel or those attending our events. But hey, verbal assaults are just fine with us... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumbdumb Posted June 28 Author Report Share Posted June 28 33 minutes ago, grayhawk said: "While we intend to launch a full investigation into this incident, Perfect Game condemns any type of physical assault on an umpire or any other field personnel or those attending our events. But hey, verbal assaults are just fine with us... here is the video of the punch from YouTube. you got all the investigating you need. court case is in july. hopefully all the attoryney's on this site who have the resources to pull up all cases all over the US can keep us informed on the situation in Fulton County court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimurray Posted June 28 Report Share Posted June 28 7 minutes ago, dumbdumb said: here is the video of the punch from YouTube. you got all the investigating you need. court case is in july. hopefully all the attoryney's on this site who have the resources to pull up all cases all over the US can keep us informed on the situation in Fulton County court. O comments currently. Odds on a fan commenting and blaming the ump for provoking the player and coach with a bad call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mw94 Posted June 28 Report Share Posted June 28 Good move by the umpires for leaving & not continuing the game for" the kids". This is not Pro or Power 5 D1 NCAA conference baseball. You get hit you leave ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
834k3r Posted June 28 Report Share Posted June 28 I'm sorry, but where was the PU during this heated discussion? And with all the money PG is making, they can't get a 3-man crew? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mw94 Posted June 28 Report Share Posted June 28 2 hours ago, 834k3r said: I'm sorry, but where was the PU during this heated discussion? And with all the money PG is making, they can't get a 3-man crew? and cut into their profits? no way . 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMax Posted June 28 Report Share Posted June 28 6 hours ago, 834k3r said: I'm sorry, but where was the PU during this heated discussion? He comes from off-screen after the punch is thrown. I wouldn't be so quick to blame him or shame him on this one... we (umpires) have done this to ourselves by implying that we aren't to inject ourselves into our partners' discussions, or discussions about his call(s), unless asked or invited. 6 hours ago, 834k3r said: And with all the money PG is making, they can't get a 3-man crew? It may not be a profit problem at all. It may be a glut-of-games / shortage-of-umpires / lack-of-trained (in 3 man)-umpires issue. In Arizona, of all the (overabundance) of games we've got, Perfect Game is one of the few tournament events that willingly pay (or offer to pay) for 3-man, 4-man, and even 6-man (on 'Chips). Know what hinders that? Enough umpires. Or, worse yet, enough umpires who can show a little bit of humility, flexibility (mental and habitual, not physical), and interest to try > 2-man deployments. IMEO, it's the best way to learn, or at least try it in a low-risk environment. ... In no way whatsoever am I blaming the umpire. I don't think we should lay any blame on Perfect Game, unless they shelter, harbor, or abet this coach in any way. Perfect Game should "cut this guy loose", and allow for proper authorities (including the umpire) to prosecute and press charges to the full extent of the law. If PG wants to stay included in this process, they should file charges (of some kind) on this coach for endangering PG employees and/or contractors. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velho Posted June 28 Report Share Posted June 28 5 minutes ago, MadMax said: I don't think we should lay any blame on Perfect Game Just gonna leave this here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMax Posted June 28 Report Share Posted June 28 20 minutes ago, Velho said: Just gonna leave this here Waitaminute... I watched the entire video, and other than the outburst in the 1st inning, I didn't see anything else that would have warranted the (alarmist) title, and Perfect Game staff interdiction. What relevance does this game (video of it) have to the incident in question? They aren't remotely systemic. They have to be examined individually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velho Posted June 28 Report Share Posted June 28 1 minute ago, MadMax said: What relevance does this game (video of it) have to the incident in question? They aren't remotely systemic. They have to be examined individually. Sorry, shouldn't have hijacked the thread. I've simply seen little from PG that makes me think they aren't hucksters. 5 minutes ago, MadMax said: I didn't see anything else "anything else"? We're cool with one episode like that? Appears PG is good with it. Same as they were when I watched a kid puke from heat stroke in 115F and stay in the game ("but hey he's going to be a 1st round draft pick!"). Makes me skeptical there isn't something systemic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMax Posted June 28 Report Share Posted June 28 1 minute ago, Velho said: "anything else"? We're cool with one episode like that? Appears PG is good with it. From what I know, despite the umpires (on that game) wearing PG hats, they are not PG employees. We weren't shown as to if a PG staffer (from outside the fence) approached and/or talked to that MVP HC about his behavior, or not. Schroedinger's Cat, and all that. If the umpires didn't want to tolerate the F-bombs, then they should have warned and/or ejected that HC. What we tolerate, we promote. Even when I've been a supervisor on any lesser-known tournament event, I cannot step in and perform the warning or ejection for the umpire crew. I can only step in if they get a Rule (application) wrong, and someone (coach, scorekeeper, umpire, etc.) requests. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velho Posted June 28 Report Share Posted June 28 8 minutes ago, MadMax said: From what I know, despite the umpires (on that game) wearing PG hats, they are not PG employees. Their name is all over it so, respectfully, from a business perspective that doesn't matter. It's a PG operation (and if it's not they should be taking down their banners). They are responsible for what happens there and, as you said earlier, there are post-action things they can do to take responsibility (ban that coach and, depending how the conversation goes, the program). (ok, I've calmed down a bit. Any edge in the following is unintended. And, thinking about it, it may not be hijack since we promote what we tolerate. Odds are high that OP wasn't the first issue from that coach) 5 minutes ago, MadMax said: I cannot step in and perform the warning or ejection for the umpire crew. I can only step in if they get a Rule (application) wrong, and someone (coach, scorekeeper, umpire, etc.) requests. Fair. But I have to ask: What then? What is the discussion with the crew after the game? Are they highly encouraged (if not instructed) to shut that down the second it starts? Eject for something that extreme? Is there a discussion about the precipitating call? Is that U1 no longer used if it's not corrected (whatever was evaluated as the issue - benefit of the doubt that BR stepped over the base but U1 didn't communicate)? What's the discussion with the coach? "don't ever do that again" and you document it on him so we know when it does happen again? Or is the site manager a 26 yr old kid that doesn't feel empowered to engage a coach like that (like the heat stroke I witnessed)? I've spent 25 years inside a brand strong company that is often misunderstood (often intentionally so for clicks) so appreciate any insight yo can provide from being inside PG. I hope I'm wrong about them being simply money hungry and capitalizing on (if not abusing) the hopes and fears of ball players and their parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumbdumb Posted June 28 Author Report Share Posted June 28 this one should open to an umpires comment, but its not like there are a million comments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man in Blue Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 5 hours ago, Velho said: I've spent 25 years inside a brand strong company that is often misunderstood (often intentionally so for clicks) so appreciate any insight yo can provide from being inside PG. I hope I'm wrong about them being simply money hungry and capitalizing on (if not abusing) the hopes and fears of ball players and their parents. I spent the better part of two decades in PR and virtually all of my working life in roles where I was fixing customer facing issues. I don't have any specific insight into PG. That said . . . ANY of these name brand tournaments in youth sports are simply some local yokel paying a fee to use the national org's name and access the resources. Tournaments are essentially franchises on a weekly basis. Very few tournaments are actually run by these organizations. They are sanctioned, sponsored, affiliated, whatever you want to call it. ALL of these name brands have areas of the country where they are well run and high prestige places to play. ALL of these name brands have areas of the country where they are money grabs and horrid places to play. It all depends on the local people running it, not the national brand stamped on it. I would tell you, if you are in Mississippi, do NOT play Grand Slam. Play 2D. In other areas of the country, Grand Slam runs great events and 2D is possibly sketchy. It isn't those organizations, it is the local guy running the tournament and paying them to use their name. What these organizations need to step up and do is monitor how their brand is being used and begin cutting off tournament directors who are doing crap jobs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mw94 Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 The umpire shortage is a true factor , I just looked a little closer at this incident and the attacked umpire was 77 years old working High School level 2 man ,.In the insane Atlanta heat and humidity. I turned 55 and will not work in the extreme AZ(June 1 - Sept 1 ) heat anymore. A very well known Travel Ball Tournaments(USA Baseball Western Championships) is taking place right now. I just won't do 3 games in 98-110 heat. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimurray Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 8 hours ago, mw94 said: The umpire shortage is a true factor , I just looked a little closer at this incident and the attacked umpire was 77 years old working High School level 2 man ,.In the insane Atlanta heat and humidity. I turned 55 and will not work in the extreme AZ(June 1 - Sept 1 ) heat anymore. A very well known Travel Ball Tournaments(USA Baseball Western Championships) is taking place right now. I just won't do 3 games in 98-110 heat. Hang in there. when you turn 70 you become a lizard and dry heat feels good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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