834k3r Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 Behind the plate last night for a Legion Juniors game (16U). R1 steals 2nd and goes in standing up, arriving to the base just before the ball arrives. F2's throw takes F6 to the 1B side of the bag, but the tag is late. DTHC calls from the dugout, "he has to slide!" then says something about a "force play." I took nothing that coach said seriously for the rest of the game. Why, praytell, do coaches think they know the rules when they obviously haven't read any rule book, let alone the one that covers the game currently being played? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
love to ump Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 Excuse my ignorance ...what is SMH?? We could have whole forum on stupid things coaches say. Runner on third, ball four to batter skips thru to backstop, runner trots home...DTAC..pops out of dugout..."Wasn't that a walk, Blue...how does the runner score? "...bit lip to not tell him on magical unicorn! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfe_man Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 13 minutes ago, love to ump said: Excuse my ignorance ...what is SMH?? shaking my head = smh https://www.dictionary.com/e/acronyms/ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBlue4u Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 3 hours ago, 834k3r said: Why, praytell, do coaches think they know the rules when they obviously haven't read any rule book, let alone the one that covers the game currently being played? Did it ever occur to you that a coach does know the rule, and he just wants to know if you know the rule? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimurray Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 5 hours ago, BigBlue4u said: Did it ever occur to you that a coach does know the rule, and he just wants to work you. And sometimes it works with rules lacking umps. We have some really good coaches with really good rule knowledge and you don't stand a chance unless you know the rules and can quote the rule snippet to them. And then we have other coaches. Assignors have to put the right umps with the right coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MadMax Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 21 hours ago, 834k3r said: Why, praytell, do coaches think they know the rules when they obviously haven't read any rule book 12 hours ago, Jimurray said: And sometimes it works with rules lacking umps. Or worse, the umpire becomes the source – Patient Zero – of the malodorous misapplication of a rule, or makes-up-s#!t on site. I have termed this, “Viral Umpiring”. Why? Because when an umpire MSU (or misapplies a rule, without correction), how many adults are affected and afflicted, at least? 3 (if U is solo) or 4. These 4 adults now carry that forward, thinking that that is, in fact, the correct rule! That that turd sandwich is actually a porterhouse steak! No… I reside in the camp-of-thought that coaches don’t have original thoughts (no matter how idiotic-to-baseball they are), and that when we hear them regurgitate “rule interpretations” to us that are laughably wrong or idiotic, I (now) don't shame them… I now inquire, “Which umpire told you that?!” 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urout17 Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 On 6/18/2024 at 5:37 PM, BigBlue4u said: Did it ever occur to you that a coach does know the rule, and he just wants to know if you know the rule? Hardly ever. Instead of actually picking up a rules book and reading it, I believe some of their "knowledge" comes from watching MLB games and listening to the awful announcers as stated by Lindsay all too often. And what's even better is that they don't know there's a difference between LL, HS, college, pro, etc. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilyazhito Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 24 minutes ago, urout17 said: Hardly ever. Instead of actually picking up a rules book and reading it, I believe some of their "knowledge" comes from watching MLB games and listening to the awful announcers as stated by Lindsay all too often. And what's even better is that they don't know there's a difference between LL, HS, college, pro, etc. I have had to explain high school rules to coaches and players in other sports too. In soccer, you can add time in games under FIFA rules (most recreational and competitive games are played by FIFA rules), but high school and college games are played with a countdown clock that stops. This means that the game stops as soon as the clock hits 0, and the referee can only stop time, not add it, in a high school soccer game. I am surprised by the lack of rules awareness that players and coaches often show. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
834k3r Posted June 21 Author Report Share Posted June 21 On 6/19/2024 at 8:27 AM, MadMax said: Or worse, the umpire becomes the source – Patient Zero – of the malodorous misapplication of a rule, or makes-up-s#!t on site. I have termed this, “Viral Umpiring”. Why? Because when an umpire MSU (or misapplies a rule, without correction), how many adults are affected and afflicted, at least? 3 (if U is solo) or 4. These 4 adults now carry that forward, thinking that that is, in fact, the correct rule! That that turd sandwich is actually a porterhouse steak! No… I reside in the camp-of-thought that coaches don’t have original thoughts (no matter how idiotic-to-baseball they are), and that when we hear them regurgitate “rule interpretations” to us that are laughably wrong or idiotic, I (now) don't shame them… I now inquire, “Which umpire told you that?!” Saw an example of this on Reddit (I know, I know). Someone posted a question about a runner (LL ruleset) that was called out because he purposefully removed his helmet--which was coming off anyway. The umpire called the runner out. And now that umpire has made the work harder for every umpire to follow undoing his "MSU." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velho Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 8 minutes ago, 834k3r said: Saw an example of this on Reddit (I know, I know). Someone posted a question about a runner (LL ruleset) that was called out because he purposefully removed his helmet--which was coming off anyway. The umpire called the runner out. And now that umpire has made the work harder for every umpire to follow undoing his "MSU." Ugh. Hopefully there was more to the story. Both LL & NFHS cover this explicitly to (hopefully) avoid MSU over-reaction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
834k3r Posted June 21 Author Report Share Posted June 21 8 minutes ago, Velho said: Ugh. Hopefully there was more to the story. Both LL & NFHS cover this explicitly to (hopefully) avoid MSU over-reaction. Someone did hop on the thread and state that neither the LL A.R. nor NFHS 1-5-1 support calling the runner out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBlue4u Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 2 hours ago, 834k3r said: Someone did hop on the thread and state that neither the LL A.R. nor NFHS 1-5-1 support calling the runner out. Very good! Can we all say, "Common sense umpiring?" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richvee Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 2 hours ago, 834k3r said: Someone did hop on the thread and state that neither the LL A.R. nor NFHS 1-5-1 support calling the runner out. ...And the comment was probably pretty much ignored....Like when broadcasters are given rules interpretations by ex umpires, or others with rules knowledge, then continue on with their diatribe about how "that was a bad call". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man in Blue Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 On 6/19/2024 at 10:27 AM, MadMax said: Or worse, the umpire becomes the source – Patient Zero – of the malodorous misapplication of a rule, or makes-up-s#!t on site. I have termed this, “Viral Umpiring”. Why? Because when an umpire MSU (or misapplies a rule, without correction), how many adults are affected and afflicted, at least? 3 (if U is solo) or 4. These 4 adults now carry that forward, thinking that that is, in fact, the correct rule! That that turd sandwich is actually a porterhouse steak! No… I reside in the camp-of-thought that coaches don’t have original thoughts (no matter how idiotic-to-baseball they are), and that when we hear them regurgitate “rule interpretations” to us that are laughably wrong or idiotic, I (now) don't shame them… I now inquire, “Which umpire told you that?!” One of my fondest memories of a couple of coaches were two guys that spent the whole game reliving every odd thing that happened during their season and asking me what was correct. It started with some odd play the 1BC was recalling to me and apparently he liked the way I explained the correct ruling and possible reasons the umpire in that game may have got it wrong. After that, they had something every inning. At the end of the game, they thanked me for explaining it in a way that they could wrap their minds around. I then issued them a challenge: You accepted my answers because you liked how I explained them. NOW, you need to go grab the rule book and make sure I am right. Just because you like it doesn't mean it is correct. When we encounter these MSU situations, we need to not only set the record straight, but try to empathize and understand why the previous person got it wrong. Then we can truly work to debunk the problem. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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